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Depression Reality

The patient says, “Doctor, it hurts when I do this.”
Doctor says, “Then don’t do that!”
– Henny Youngman

When you meet someone who is very knowledgeable about a particular industry it probably is because the one thing that person was very smart about was not making the same boneheaded mistakes they made in the past a second time.

Free market capitalism has been a long term project of trial and error. It has its wonderful benefits and inherent problems. It is a reflection of our best attributes mixed in with our worst traits.

As a country we have tried to learn from each economic downturn in order to better perfect our free market system. What we learned with each economic problem was supposed to help us to at least navigate through future recessions without falling into the traps of the past.

As a result we have enacted certain regulatory laws and put in more controls. Our hope is to never repeat the mistakes of prior downturns where we can. Or as Henny Youngman’s doctor prescribed, “Don’t do that” – again.

Even with the knowledge and experience we have, it is still understandable that when we are in the midst of a recession that we become consumed with the current circumstances and believe that the worst is yet to come. In certain cases people have reason to feel this is the worst particularly if they lost their job or are struggling financially. But in most cases we have jobs and a home and are experiencing either some relative inconvenience compared to those who have lost jobs, and, maybe, we are “whiners.”

We are watching that happening in the reporting of our economic condition. The media has liberally been reporting that we are on the brink of a Great Depression or that this economic situation is the worst economic situation we have had since the Great Depression. The dishonesty behind those views being reported is perplexing. That is not to say that our current economic condition is not very bad, but we do regard all recessions as very bad and can never see light at the end of the tunnel until we are out of it.

But to say that this is the worst since the Great Depression is a gross distortion. This economic situation is not nearly as bad as the economic stagflation that began in the late 1970’s: we had reached 10.8% unemployment, we had double digit interest rates, and double digit inflation rates. There were the long gas lines and rationing that forced us to only buy gas on odd or even days based on our license plate number. Compared to those times, this is not that bad.

Along with the less than honest discussion about the state of our economy, is the folk tale that has been built around The New Deal. Growing up we learned broad interpretations about that period of history in school. What we learned about The New Deal was that it took us out of the Great Depression. The myth as summarized by economic historian Amity Shlaes in her book “The Forgotten Man” was:

The standard history of the Great Depression is one we know. The 1920’s were a period of false growth and low morals. There was a certain godlessness – the Great Gatsby image – to the decade. The crash was the honest acknowledgment of the breakdown of capitalism – - and the cause of the Great Depression. A dangerous inflation caused by speculating margin traders brought down the nation. There was a sense to a return to a sane, moral country with the crash. A sense that the economy of 1930 and 1931 could not revive without extensive intervention by Washington. Hoover, it was said, made matters worse through his obdurate refusal to take control, his risible commitment to what he called rugged individualism. Roosevelt, however, made things better by taking charge. His New Deal inspired and tided the country over, In this way, the country fended off revolution of the sort bringing down Europe. Without the New Deal we would have been lost.

That is the myth still being perpetuated by Obama’s media. I am not saying that the mythology built around The New Deal is the same as George Washington chopping down the cherry tree, but if we fail to look at facts then we are destined to repeat history. And this is a history none of want to repeat.

In a recent column, Jeffrey Kuhner of the Washington Times opened up some insight about The New Deal

Roosevelt’s New Deal failed to engender economic recovery. His massive public works programs, relief aid and burgeoning welfare policies did not reverse the crippling unemployment and rampant poverty of the 1930s. In fact, his tax increases, class warfare rhetoric, stifling regulations and reckless government spending crippled economic growth, job creation and the formation of vital investment capital.

Contrary to FDR’s claims, the New Deal did not “save American capitalism,” but wrecked it. He established the dangerous precedent of massive government interference in the economy and a rudimentary welfare state – forging a destructive path toward creeping socialism.

FDR’s big government liberalism also led to sweeping away traditional values such as self-reliance, civic virtue, individual liberty, limited government and a decentralized, constitutional republic. America has been transformed into a country our Founding Fathers would not only find unrecognizable but repulsive: a nanny-state characterized by confiscatory tax rates, a swollen federal bureaucracy and a citizenry that depends on government largess. The New Deal destroyed more than a free-market society; it destroyed the American character.

This is also confirmed by Amity Shlaes in her book that takes an analytical view of The Great Depression:

American capitalism did not break in 1929. The crash did not cause the Depression. It was a necessary correction of a too high stock market, but not a necessary disaster.

There was indeed an annihilating event that followed the crash, one that Hoover never understood and Roosevelt understood incompletely: deflation.

Hoover and Roosevelt were alike in several regards. Both preferred to control events and people. Both underestimated the strength of the American economy. Both doubted its ability to right itself in a storm. Hoover mistrusted the stock market. Roosevelt mistrusted it more. Roosevelt offered rhetorical optimism, but pessimism underlay his policies.

But the deepest problem was the intervention, the lack of faith in the marketplace. From 1929 to 1940, from Hoover to Roosevelt, government intervention helped to make the Depression Great.

What the New Deal effectively did was to put some people back to work but never enough people because unemployment remained very high throughout that period. Those New Deal policies supported only work for the government and failed to stimulate work for the private sector. In fact, the New Deal policies had the opposite effect on the economy as popular myth would have you believe. What turned around our economy was our entry into World War II and not the New Deal.

Today, as the current economic circumstances are playing out, Jonah Goldberg humorously called the media hyperventilation over the economy the Great Freak Out of 2008.

The Federal Reserve is a hair’s breadth from pushing interest rates to zero percent. After that, all that’s left is offering a free set of steak knives with every bag of cash.

The Bush administration is having a clearance sale on its few remaining items of fiscal restraint, while the incoming Obama crew is promising infrastructure “investments” the likes of which we haven’t seen since the 1950s.

But here’s a point nearly everyone understands from personal experience: It is not a good idea to make big, life-altering decisions when you’re freaking out.

As Rahm Emanuel, President-elect Barack Obama’s incoming chief of staff, said last month, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste; it’s an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid.”

So much for “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

The danger of this New Deal mythology is that Barack Obama is using it liberally to push an economic agenda that could have very dire consequences. Create policies that only rapidly expand government as the only employer and you will have another depression.

Obama’s motives may be similar to those of FDR as noted by Kuhner:

More importantly, the New Deal was never really concerned with reviving the economy. Its objective was more Machiavellian: to cobble together a majority coalition that would win successive elections. FDR was consumed with achieving and maintaining power – both for himself and the Democratic Party. The New Deal was their meal ticket.

Now, Mr. Obama is on the verge of completing what FDR started. Like the original New Deal, Mr. Obama’s “stimulus” plan will fail to kick-start the contracting economy.

While Obama has surrounded himself with admirable economic policy appointments, the overall direction and final decision comes from Obama himself. If we look into his rhetoric and strip away the eloquence we do find a man who was weaned on socialism, was a community organizer, and has held favorable views on big government programs. People who were influential in the making of the New Deal policies were influenced by Stalin and socialism. Obama was also influenced by various types of socialism during his mentoring.

Amity Shlaes warns against the path of least resistance which is big government printing money, not allowing the market to recover, and creating a situation that could very well prolong this economic downturn and make it worse.

With one hand the New Dealers gave, spending to stimulate the economy. In fact, they put through the same kinds of infrastructure projects that Obama and congressional Democrats are considering today.

With the other hand the New Dealers took away, by raising tax rates — just as the new president and Congress are likely to do in 2009.

Especially damaging to the prospects of recovery were the heavy levies of the second half of the 1930s, which, as (NY Times columnist Paul) Krugman points out, were key in “precipitating an economic relapse that drove unemployment back into the double digits.” President Franklin D. Roosevelt specialized in persecuting the rich via taxes, telling the upper class, point blank, that they had “met their master.”

Gazing at Messrs. Paul Volcker, Robert Rubin, Tim Geithner, Austan Goolsbee et al. –- the talented Obama economic team -– you can’t preclude that the new administration will, in the end, scuttle some of its destructive tax increases. The rest of us just have to help them figure out a graceful way to do so.

Shlaes warns not to commit acts that will drive the economy down. She outlines five errors that were made as part of the Great Depression that we should avoid:

1. Giving in to protectionism. Smoot Hawley created devastating protectionist tariffs that stopped our ability to trade. And another ambivalent politician — Sen. Barack Obama — has sent mixed messages to Canada about just how much he wants to roll back the North American Free Trade Agreement.

2. Blaming the messenger. Punishing the stock market for the 1929 crash was popular in Washington in the early 1930s. Lawmakers attacked the practice of short selling. the arbitrary nature of the assault petrified Wall Streeters. Today, too, a “Blame the Street” mood prevails. this cleanup will send companies and jobs abroad.

3. Increasing taxes in a downturn. Hoover more than doubled income tax rates, taking the top marginal rate to 63 percent from 25 percent. FDR hiked the top rate to 90 percent. Perhaps worse, Roosevelt’s Treasury crafted taxes to punish business, including an undistributed profits tax and an excess profits tax, that ultimately sucked cash from a capital-starved economy. Effective top rates approach 50 percent. There are also proposed increases for dividends and capital gains. Taken together, these will make the U.S. economy sluggish and more like that of Europe.

4. Assuming bigger government will bring back growth. New Deal programs did much to alleviate the pain month to month — many found dignity in six months of work at the Works Progress Administration, the Public Works Administration or the Civilian Conservation Corps. But economics is a competition for scarce capital. Such state solutions tended to suppress the creation of long-term private-sector jobs, as did the aggressive Wagner Act for organized labor. The National Recovery Administration, the New Deal’s centerpiece, favored large businesses at the expense of small fry. This yielded the “Depression within the Depression” of 1937.

5. Ignoring the cost of inconsistency. FDR spoke of “bold persistent experimentation.” Obama speaks of “change.” Both can do damage. Our bailouts look reassuring, but even Washington cannot rescue the entire economy. And foreign investors wonder where Washington will stop.

The proximate danger today is a repeat of the 1970s, not the 1930s.

And to not repeat the errors of the New Deal

At least three economic reforms under discussion now were also central in the New Deal package. Trouble is, these reforms didn’t necessarily work well when they were first tried – and some failed outright.

President-elect Obama has said that “the one thing I can say with certainty is that we are going to need a stimulus package passed either before or after my inauguration.” That stimulus package is now nearing a trillion dollars. Shlaes noted that FDR’s original stimuli as part of the New Deal did fail:

Although Roosevelt got a slow start, he poured billions into the economy in his first term – an unprecedented action for a US leader in peacetime. Federal spending doubled between 1933 and 1936, the year he ran for reelection. The year 1936 saw a deficit of 2.6 percent of the economy, compared with say, a surplus in 1930. The economy did grow in those years. But it never got back to its old 1929 level. As soon as FDR stopped doling out the cash (in 1937, after the election) the economy crashed again. The stock market plummeted. Five years into the New Deal, in the winter of 1937-1938, two in 10 were again unemployed.

The stimuli of the New Deal solely focused on government employment and did not focus on developing private enterprise.

Evidence from that period suggest that government was crowding out the private sector. The Tennessee Valley Authority, for example, dealt mortal blows to a private employer that wanted to electrify the South, Wendell Willkie’s Commonwealth & Southern. For every state-relief job created, about half a private-sector job was lost.

No one knew what it meant, and markets were terrified. Everyone feared FDR would regulate or prosecute them next. Businesses refused to invest. The 1930s’ second half proved frustrating for the country: The economy was always recovering but never quite recovered. The Dow didn’t get back to its 1929 level until the mid-’50s.

So how did FDR get re-elected 3 times? Kuhner compared how the press fawned over Obama the way they did over FDR.

Like Mr. Obama today, FDR had a fawning and sycophantic press corps, which significantly downplayed – and even ignored – his numerous policy mistakes (and scandals). In fact, the liberal media covered up anything they believed might hurt their man’s standing with the voters.

While today’s economy is not as dismal as the Great Depression, Obama’s economic policies sound similar to that of the New Deal, particularly relating to proposals to raise taxes, restrict free trade, and to strengthen trade unions.

However, his stimulus package would be worthwhile if it focused on stimulating private sector business and job creation. Obama’s efforts in the major areas of energy and healthcare could be a wise use of government money if they are directed at long-term private sector development rather than greater government bureaucracy. At some point in time the money we are printing today will be debt that we will have to pay off and that can only be done with revenue coming in from private sector expansion.

The first six months of Obama’s administration will provide an answer to how much Obama’s socialist mentoring influenced him. Should he pursue a balanced approach to using government stimulus responsibly in sparking a long term free market expansion, then this period will be a bad memory quickly. But if he falls back on his old beliefs and takes the path of New Deal II then our economy could very well fall into another depression.

  • http://myiq2xu.wordpress.com/ myiq2xu

    There are so many factual errors here it should be labled fiction.

    For instance:

    There were the long gas lines and rationing that forced us to only buy gas on odd or even days based on our license plate number.

    The gas shortages of the 1970′s were not caused by economics, they were caused by OPEC embargos and they were brief in duration.

  • BernieO

    Of course the right-wing, anti-government, moonie-owned Washington Times says that the New Deal didn’t work!! It’s also a huge lie.

    FDR’s government policies did start pulling us out of the depression. The economy was recovering when FDR was talked into tightening the purse strings and there was a mini-recession as a result in the late 30′s but the economy still was better than at the start of the depression. Right wingers midleadingly use the data from that downturn to argue against government spending in order to defend their failed, fantasy based ideology that unregulated free markets are the answer to everything. So yes, WWII also helped.
    As Paul Krugman put it, FDR pulled us partway out and WWII finished the job – because of all the government spending on the war, another fact the right conveniently overlooks.

  • lark

    My friend, there may be factual errors in the piece or maybe not but the quote you pulled is completely accurate. The quote itself does not addressed the causes. I feel sorry your behavior. You can re-write the article to provide your point of view. That will be nice.

  • lark

    McCain said that the fundamentals of our economy were good but Obama encouraged everyone to mock our economy based on demeaning McCain’s character. Obama instead insisted that our economy was mimicking the late 1920′s. Palin’s character was also demeaned. We choose to believe Obama and elect him President. Now lets live with the consequences.

  • Texas Playwright

    Sarah 2012.

  • Mary Anne O’Neil

    Whether or not e details are wrong, this article is an excellent resume of the panic manufactured by the media. Few of workers in established jobs are suffering. In fact, there are great opportunities for us. It is the young people who are suffering because jobs are being cut–always a bad idea. There are also way too many Americans who create jobs that don’t actually do anything–the bureaucrats, lawyers and “consultants.” There is also the problem that we are switching to a technology-based economy and we haven’t figured it out yet–but we will. We just need time
    If you are invested in decent stocks, they will survive. although I sure wish Congress would adopt the Mf 70 1/2 for 401ks.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com uppity woman

    There are also way too many Americans who create jobs that don’t actually do anything–the bureaucrats, lawyers and “consultants.”

    You left out Government. Government jobs, from federal to state to county, have grown in inverse proportion to job losses in the private sector during the past decade. Government is the one that needs to adjust its employment rolls–downwards, not upwards.

  • Steve Markom

    The long gas lines may not have been caused by economics but they did severely impact the economics.

    The media is reporting that our GDP may be down as much as 6% which, if that is true, we have not seen since the latter part of the stagflation recession.

  • http://myiq2xu.wordpress.com/ myiq2xu

    We had gas lines for twoo brief periods during the 1970′s. The first was caused by the Arab Oil Embargo after the 1973 Yom Kippur war and the second was triggered by the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

    You do realize that Amity Shlaes got her degree in English?

    She’s not an economist or a historian.

  • mira

    I think, based on what is actually happening to the world economy, that tougher times are on the way. Economists are forecasting that it may be the bleakest times we’ve had in the last 100 years, I think they will be proven to be right.

  • lark

    we are switching to a technology-based economy and we haven’t figured it out yet–but we will. We just need time

    We keep building schools for children and teenagers. Obama wants to build more schools for children to attend, by grade and teacher oriented.

    Schools need to be completely redesigned and children need to stay home studying and lessons needs to be provided via cd’s and other multimedia formats. Learning needs to be done at home like in the medieval and Roman times. That way good families will not be contaminated with bad ones and good family values do not have to be washed up be those who don’t care about one single decent value.

  • Steve Markom

    Everyone knows what caused the long gas lines, so I am not sure what your point is.

    Who cares what degree Amity Shlaes has. She is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations and is a syndicated columnist at Bloomberg. She has writen for the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal where she is also on the editorial board. she has also written for Fortune, the New Yorker, New Republic, and Foreign Affairs.

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmmm..I remember OPEC, even odd days, folks losing jobs and Teamster strikes…Price of MILK outta control for the time…I was still a kid and my first summer driving was at the height of the GAS shortage and I drove the family hand me down…chuckle…a 1968 Olds that got 9mi to the gallon…in Texas where it was drive or walk since we had no Mass transportation that was very reliable.
    Then there was that pesky S&L criss which hit Texas like a slow chewing Tornado…Kinda made the TeeVee show DALLAS laughable…But Hey! Reaganomics held soooo much promise…It was pretty Bleak down here for a while…But I was a kid and What did I know?
    Thanks for the article…Provocative 4 sure…

  • workingclass artist

    To me what as most important…Was that FDR and Churchill were not FASCISTS…Aaaaand given the rest of the Cast of GLOBAL characters this is more significant then anything else…nuff said….

  • Steve Markom


    FDR’s government policies did start pulling us out of the depression.

    Only if you believe that 15% unemployment can be characterized as “pulling us out of the depression.”

    I am not saying that there were obvious alternatives to what FDR and Hoover did. Hindsight is always 20:20.

    The issue is what have we learned from that period that can be applied. To demagogue that period because FDR was a Democrat and gloss over the facts is not productive.

    The reckless fawning over the New Deal by the media is dangerous and needs to be questioned.

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmmm….A significant factor in the Great Depression was the DustBowl…an massive migration and the economic pressure this induced.
    Crop Failure in Asia’s Rice Bowl is a warning and CHINA imports RICE now….
    CHINA also mines 95% of Global supply COBALT..Which is used to manufacture Batteries…Sumthin to think about…No?

  • Steve Markom

    You need to be careful about who is doing the talking – if they have an agenda whether it is political or monetary (this is a period when economists can make money on projected misery with books, articles, and apperances).

    Also look back on what these same people said to see if they are consistent and how credible their past predictions have been.

    When a storm front is coming is the only time you pay attention to the weather forecaster – they know it – and they tend to sensationalize the forecast because it is only a forecast. But they get their ratings and people forget what the prediction was after the fact.

    I heard the Chosen One say that the economy will get worse before it gets better. He has done so without explaining what that is because he has no idea. But if he predicts a terrible economy and it does better when he is in office then he takes the credit for that. If he said that the economy has hit bottom and is projected to get better by the second quarter then Bush gets credit for the economic turnaround.

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmmm…Democrats have their FDR…Aaaaand Republicans have their Reagan Who I might add is just as GLOSSY…chuckle….

    *** My kids 7th grade history text book (published in the mildly fascist state of Texas)…chuckle…was twice as thick on St. Reagan…as it was on HoHum FDR…Now that was a feat…***

  • Steve Markom

    You are right that it are always factors that are part of any economic problem and since we are in a global economy anything that happens in one country quickly affects another.

    China is in its early stages of capitalism and will be making significant mistakes which will affect us.

    That issue with cobalt I read about concerning out desire to have battery powered vehicles and how we could become reliant on China as we did the Middle East for oil.

    Also, based on history I do not believe that modern day Presidents cause recessions. All they can do is not make them any worse than they are and help the couuntry better navigate through them.

  • AOK

    Yes, please encourage Palin to be the sacrificial neocon lamb for Obama’s second term. Pretty please? And have her bring her Levi Johnston’s Oxycontin popping mother with them.

  • AOK

    What people are failing to grasp it that the government will not be hiring anybody. They will parcel money to the states, who will hire private construction companies to do the work. These companies in turn will hire workers for the construction end as well as support roles. They’ll need more accountants, HR, IT, truck drivers, etc. They’ll sub-contact to specialty companies, lease equipment, etc. Offices will have to be leased. The state will have to hire more building inspectors and personnel for new schools. There are a thousand ways that this stimulus package can help this economy. Lets give it a chance to work before we start criticizing it.

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    >>> She is a senior fellow in economic history at the Council on Foreign Relations and is a syndicated columnist at Bloomberg. She has writen for the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal where she is also on the editorial board. she has also written for Fortune, the New Yorker, New Republic, and Foreign Affairs.

    Except for Bloomberg, a nice roll call of big business-supporting organizations, eh?

    And, I’m often suspicious of Bloomberg.

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    Remember the “Talking Frog” joke from Texas in that era?

    Punchline: “With Crude at $11/barrel, a Talking Frog is worth something!”

  • workingclass artist

    rflmao…thanks for that…I had forgotten…chuckle…Of course Texas has given the country it’s latest and greatest JOKE…aaaand his name is George…lol…

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    >>> Also, based on history I do not believe that modern day Presidents cause recessions

    You must have been very young during St. Ronnie’s tenure and that of his Fed chief.

  • workingclass artist

    Yeah…When it comes down to it…You feed your own first. CHINA has us by the nose hairs…Aaaand they will cut us off if need be…Kinda like Putin turning off the Gas to Europe in the middle of Winter…Grrrr…Of couse I grew up with the US bailing out USSR with grain when they had crop failure and folks were starving…Somehow..I don’t see reciprocation…But GLOBAL memory lapses when it serves the interests of others…*sigh*…Hopefully I’m just suffering from a temporary cynic phase…

  • Steve Markom

    When Reagan began his term we were in the midst of the worst economy since the Great Depression and to date. How old were you?

  • rolling_thunder

    Long gas lines for a brief period. How brief is brief. The gas lines went on for a lengthy time in the 1970′s. Employment lines were wrapped around the block. Manufaturing in textiles died. Doh!

  • Steve Markom

    That is what I would be hoping for whether it is State government or Federal government doling it out to private enterprises who are contracted.

    But what happened during the Great Depression was that government doled it out to itself and hired their own people – replacing ptivate companies.

    I agree that the way this stimulus can work is if as much of it as possible finds its way into companies hiring workers and not into building a bureaucracy to manage this money which will leave little for hiring those workers.

  • Steve Markom

    Why are you suspicious of Bloomberg network? Just curious.

  • rolling_thunder

    President-elect Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, will twirl their way through 10 official inaugural balls on Jan. 20.

    The rest of us can eat cake.

  • rolling_thunder

    A cross post email from Hillary:

    I couldn’t let this holiday season pass by without taking the time to thank you for all the wonderful support you’ve given me. I’ve received so many kind messages in the last few weeks, and I can’t tell you how much your friendship means to me.

    As I celebrate the holidays with my family, I’ll be thinking about all our wonderful memories from the past year. I hope you’ll take the time to remember all the things we accomplished together and all the lives we touched.

    I know that I am forever changed because of the journey you and I shared. It goes without saying that we have a lot to look forward to in the coming year. Even in the midst of great challenges here at home and around the world, we know change is coming and there is reason to have hope for a brighter future.

    Thank you so much for everything, and I hope you have a very happy holiday season!

    Sincerely,

    Hillary

    Same to you and yours Hillary!

  • bert

    You are correct rolling thunder, and it often depended wheer you lived. Also, the 70′s was the start of the decline in steel. The times were rough.

  • bert

    Giving is a big part of Christmas, look into your heart and do what you can for the needy……………………..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDC0qcf0kzE

  • propertius

    The most serious error (or is it just a bald-faced lie) in this piece is the assertion that the New Deal made the Depression worse. Fortunately, the statistics necessary to refute this ridiculous assertion are pretty widely available – a simple glance at table 2 in the following Wikipedia article should suffice:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_United_States

    US GNP in constant dollars increased by 52.1% from 1933 to 1937. In the same time period, US exports more than doubled, and the unemployment rate was nearly halved. Yes, there was a mild recession in 1938 (resulting in 0.2% – that’s right, two-tenths of a percent – reduction in GNP), but by 1940 the GNP had grown another 10% and was 65.4% higher than it had been in 1933 when FDR took office.

    Figures don’t lie – the New Deal was an amazing success.

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    The Home schooling myth.

    Problem is home schooling requires ADULT SUPERVISION — and that means one parent (usually the mother unit) to remain at home.

    Home schooling implies that the parents are themselves are literate and educated. How many parents know how to find places on a world globe? Teachers should know a bit more than their students and not be total ignorant blobs (which has been proven in this last election that a large percentage of the population have little or no critical thinking ability or a basic level of knowledge.)

    Home schooling requires someone who knows something about education — the slick packages and computer based lessons are for the generic child/student.

    Home school still needs a TRAINED teacher.

    Too often home schooling is done by parents to teach a specific dogma — religious or political or both.

    Few parents (and many teachers) are equipped to deal with LEARNING DISABILITIES — and the pre packaged programmed learning certainly cannot adapt to the wide range of learning disabilities.

    Some students are self motivated and can adapt to nearly any chaotic situation — but students with say, attention deficit disorder, will require someone who has had experience in motivating and managing such a child.

    There is a reason why community schools were a major feature in the west ward migration — when enough families settled in frontier outpost — churches and schools were established.

  • Steve Markom

    Real “numbers don’t lie; only liars lie:”

    The GNP is not the proper measure for the relative health of an economy that has dramatically shifted from a free market system to a big government employer system.

    If you want to talk about market growth look at the Dow Jones Industrial Average in January of each year. What is in bold are the New Deal years before World War II.

    DJIA January
    1929 308
    1930 286
    1931 172
    1932 73
    1933 55
    1934 102
    1935 101
    1936 156
    1937 186
    1938 99
    1939 131
    1940 148
    1941 123

    1942 99
    1943 137

    Then of course there is unemployment.

    Unemployment Rate
    1929 3.3%
    1930 8.9%
    1931 15.9%
    1932 23.6%
    1933 24.9%
    1934 21.7%
    1935 20.1%
    1936 17.0%
    1937 14.3%
    1938 19.0%
    1939 17.2%
    1940 14.6%
    1941 9.9%

    1942 4.7%

    The only way you could consider the New Deal an economic policy success is if you consider a average sustained unemployment rate of over 15% for over 7 years a success. Before WW II the government was already accepting that there would be a permanent base of unemployment at over 10% and had run out of ideas.

    If you want to talk about specifically what good things and what bad things came out of the New Deal then that is a worthwhile discussion. But to characterize the New Deal as a success is just not factually and historically right.

    As I said, you either learn from history or you are destined to repeat it.

  • bert

    Actually Northwest rain, many children are well educated at home. I had a friend who did it and at first I was skeptical. But in many states there is a network of parents who home school. They get together and work on lessons. These networks of children and parents put on plays and take field trips. My friends group even had junior and senior proms. They also put on a play, Shakespeare no less. And they were fantastic!

    Most states also require these children to pass the state’s graduation test to get a diploma. The children of these parents know what the standards are and make sure they are covered.

    Other states or specific school districts also offer some classes in a regular classroom that children can attend. These are with a certified teacher. Students come once or twice a week, for insance to use a science lab. Parents also meet with these teachers to make lesson plans and to borrow classroom textbooks to aid in their lessons.

    I know another former teacher who is a supervisor of home school parents who drives around a small region and meets with parents and offers suggestions and lesson plans.

    There are also on-line resources for home schools.

  • Linda C.

    Some of the New Deal initiatives were declared unconstitutional

    The New Deal didn’t take effect until there was 25 percent unemployment and “the recession” had been spiraling out of control for 3 years.

    I think anyone who lived during that time who benefited from PWA would tell you that it saved them from starvation.

    Many of the structures built by the PWA are still in use today. We actually had something of value that promoted continued use economically after they were build.

  • justsomeone

    “Rewarding work not wealth”, is an Obama phrase that should scare the hell out of every retiree in the USA who saved for their retirement. My guess: Obama will whittle retirees down toward the dole. Taxes on earned interest, dividends & cap gains (with exception of small business) for any senior making more than 25K a yr are going up, up & away. He’ll be well into his second term before enough baby boomers retire & create a viable backlash & by that time he’ll have handed out enough citizenship cards to the teeming masses of illegals to muster the necessary votes to nullify any resistance. “Punishing savings & rewarding debt”.

  • C. D. Ward

    Hey, uh . . . Steve?

    You’ve been listening to too much Corporate Media again, haven’t you? Tsk-tsk. It could be ‘lump-of-coal’ time for you (again!) this year, I’m afraid.

    You see, historians pretty much agree that Amity Shlaes — in addition to her book having been thoroughly discredited — is simply a fringe-right-wing bloviator of the sort most commonly found skanking around cesspools like Fox “News”.

    You might want to take advantage of the holidays to study up on Fox News: ‘Historians Pretty Much Agree’ That FDR Prolonged the Great Depression, by David Sirota, for ‘teh infos’ on Shlaes’ jihad against all things FDR.

    Joyous Festivus!

  • Steve Markom

    You see, historians pretty much agree that Amity Shlaes — in addition to her book having been thoroughly discredited — is simply a fringe-right-wing bloviator of the sort most commonly found skanking around cesspools like Fox “News”.

    If you are a Daily Kos/MSNBC sycophant then you believe that. The only people trying to discredit her are far left ideologues and people, like yourself, who have not read primary information.

    I read books sir and don’t accept information because it benefits one political party of the other. Facts matter.

    Also David Sirota is a political pundit – not a credible historian or economist. And his primary source of support is from The New York Times which is no longer a credible source of any information including sports.

    I would suggest you actually pick up Amity Shlaes book and read it yourself before embarrassing yourself with more uninformed bloviation.

  • fiscalliberal

    I think the reality is that we need to get the credit system going to enable the free market to get going. Then we have to get the economy going.

    Given the propensity for our industry’s to invest overseas, it is going to have to be focused on local infrastructure and small business.

    We need to the remember that this mess was started with Subprime, no document loans from a unregulated industry. A lot of the securitization was done by the lightly regulated Investment banks which no long er exist because of the fiasco. The Credit Default Swap fiasco was from a unregulated industry. The financial rating system was on the take and is no longer credible.

    These guy’s take all these risks and the public is left with the disaster. So the ardent proponents of free markets in fact are hippocrits. When they get in trouble they come crawling to the government. They make welfare queens look like pikers.

    Since the free market is not regulating itself, the government will have step it.

    Those of us who support true free markets with the consequences of failure to regulate the greed and incomptent really get tired of these right wing and left wing people who probably have never written a business plan or managed a business project

  • S. Markom

    I agree that this recession began with a credit crisis and will only be resolved with available credit again.

    As far as government regulation there will always be a need for that to monitor the greed factor. In the case of the subprimes banks were good at self-regulating because it was in their business interests not to lend money to people who could not pay it back. But government and courts got in the way and did force them to open up credit to unqualified people and that started a slippery slope to where we are now unfortunately. Sometimes good intentions have unintended consequences.

    I am with you on elected officials making decisions about business when in fact they never ran one themselves.

  • fiscalliberal

    But government and courts got in the way and did force them to open up credit to unqualified people and that started a slippery slope to where we are now unfortunately.

    You should substantiate the above statement

    It is my understanding the regulated banks did not write these sub prime and Alt A no document loans. It was the unregulated mortgage industry (ie country wide) that did it. Mr. Greenspan was authorized by congress to stop it and he didn’t do anyting and the syatem went wild. Bernanke came in and used his authorized powers and shut it down. We still have the mess.

  • cathnealon

    Access to credit has been made extremely difficult. The banks are holding on tight as they see what’s coming with the job market. Why should they lend money even to people with good credit when jobs will continue to disappear. Their customers may not be able to make good on their loans in 2, 3 or 4 years. Nothing happens overnight, this has been coming for over 25 years. I don’t know much about economics but I know if I go into purchase a car tomorrow I probably won’t get financing despite my credit rating because the corporation I work for has hiring freezes and is laying off as we speak. Why should they take a chance on me when I could be unemployd and unable to pay off the loan? And that is what is happening everywhere. BO’s stimulus package will be like telling a patient with a brain tumor to go home and take an aspirin. It will do absolutely nothing. What we need now is wisdom, leadership and the exact opposite of politics as usual. But from where I stand with five children all entering the job market it’s going to be a very,very disheartening time for them. I had hoped that we could have chosen a real leader with some sense of what the American experiment is all about.

  • Sonic Ninja Kitty

    The credit default swaps were speculatory vehicles. They should have never been allowed. There was nothing backing them from the second tier on up. The SEC should have stepped up and stopped this and they failed us. Speculation operates on entirely different principles than insurance and futures do and therefore cannot be part of a free market economy. An optimal free market economy require good structure (laws and enforcement) to make it as predictable as possible, thereby enabling businesses to grow efficiently.

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