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		<title>By: Sonic Ninja Kitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099501</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonic Ninja Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 04:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The credit default swaps were speculatory vehicles.  They should have never been allowed.  There was nothing backing them from the second tier on up.  The SEC should have stepped up and stopped this and they failed us.  Speculation operates on entirely different principles than insurance and futures do and therefore cannot be part of a free market economy.  An optimal free market economy require good structure (laws and enforcement) to make it as predictable as possible, thereby enabling businesses to grow efficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The credit default swaps were speculatory vehicles.  They should have never been allowed.  There was nothing backing them from the second tier on up.  The SEC should have stepped up and stopped this and they failed us.  Speculation operates on entirely different principles than insurance and futures do and therefore cannot be part of a free market economy.  An optimal free market economy require good structure (laws and enforcement) to make it as predictable as possible, thereby enabling businesses to grow efficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: cathnealon</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099452</link>
		<dc:creator>cathnealon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Access to credit has been made extremely difficult. The banks are holding on tight as they see what&#039;s coming with the job market. Why should they lend money even to people with good credit when jobs will continue to disappear. Their customers may not be able to make good on their loans in 2, 3 or 4 years. Nothing happens overnight, this has been coming for over 25 years. I don&#039;t know much about economics but I know if I go into purchase a car tomorrow I probably won&#039;t get financing despite my credit rating because the corporation I work for has hiring freezes and is laying off as we speak. Why should they take a chance on me when I could be unemployd and unable to pay off the loan? And that is what is happening everywhere. BO&#039;s stimulus package will  be like telling a patient with a brain tumor to go home and take an aspirin. It will do absolutely nothing. What we need now is wisdom, leadership and the exact opposite of politics as usual. But from where I stand with five children all entering the job market it&#039;s going to be a very,very disheartening time for them. I had hoped that we could have chosen a real leader with some sense of what the American experiment is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Access to credit has been made extremely difficult. The banks are holding on tight as they see what&#8217;s coming with the job market. Why should they lend money even to people with good credit when jobs will continue to disappear. Their customers may not be able to make good on their loans in 2, 3 or 4 years. Nothing happens overnight, this has been coming for over 25 years. I don&#8217;t know much about economics but I know if I go into purchase a car tomorrow I probably won&#8217;t get financing despite my credit rating because the corporation I work for has hiring freezes and is laying off as we speak. Why should they take a chance on me when I could be unemployd and unable to pay off the loan? And that is what is happening everywhere. BO&#8217;s stimulus package will  be like telling a patient with a brain tumor to go home and take an aspirin. It will do absolutely nothing. What we need now is wisdom, leadership and the exact opposite of politics as usual. But from where I stand with five children all entering the job market it&#8217;s going to be a very,very disheartening time for them. I had hoped that we could have chosen a real leader with some sense of what the American experiment is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: fiscalliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099304</link>
		<dc:creator>fiscalliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But government and courts got in the way and did force them to open up credit to unqualified people and that started a slippery slope to where we are now unfortunately. 

You should substantiate the above statement 

It is my understanding the regulated banks did not write these sub prime and Alt A no document loans. It was the unregulated mortgage industry (ie country wide) that did it. Mr. Greenspan was authorized by congress to stop it and he didn&#039;t do anyting and the syatem went wild. Bernanke came in and used his authorized powers and shut it down. We still have the mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But government and courts got in the way and did force them to open up credit to unqualified people and that started a slippery slope to where we are now unfortunately. </p>
<p>You should substantiate the above statement </p>
<p>It is my understanding the regulated banks did not write these sub prime and Alt A no document loans. It was the unregulated mortgage industry (ie country wide) that did it. Mr. Greenspan was authorized by congress to stop it and he didn&#8217;t do anyting and the syatem went wild. Bernanke came in and used his authorized powers and shut it down. We still have the mess.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Markom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099303</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Markom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this recession began with a credit crisis and will only be resolved with available credit again.

As far as government regulation there will always be a need for that to monitor the greed factor. In the case of the subprimes banks were good at self-regulating because it was in their business interests not to lend money to people who could not pay it back. But government and courts got in the way and did force them to open up credit to unqualified people and that started a slippery slope to where we are now unfortunately. Sometimes good intentions have unintended consequences.

I am with you on elected officials making decisions about business when in fact they never ran one themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this recession began with a credit crisis and will only be resolved with available credit again.</p>
<p>As far as government regulation there will always be a need for that to monitor the greed factor. In the case of the subprimes banks were good at self-regulating because it was in their business interests not to lend money to people who could not pay it back. But government and courts got in the way and did force them to open up credit to unqualified people and that started a slippery slope to where we are now unfortunately. Sometimes good intentions have unintended consequences.</p>
<p>I am with you on elected officials making decisions about business when in fact they never ran one themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: fiscalliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099300</link>
		<dc:creator>fiscalliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reality is that we need to get the credit system going to enable the free market to get going. Then we have to get the economy going. 

Given the propensity for our industry&#039;s to invest overseas, it is going to have to be focused on local infrastructure and small business.

We need to the remember that this mess was started with Subprime, no document loans from a unregulated industry. A lot of the securitization was done by the lightly regulated Investment banks which no long er exist because of the fiasco. The Credit Default Swap fiasco was from a unregulated industry. The financial rating system was on the take and is no longer credible. 

These guy&#039;s take all these risks and the public is left with the disaster. So the ardent proponents of free markets in fact are hippocrits. When they get in trouble they come crawling to the government. They make welfare queens look like pikers. 

Since the free market is not regulating itself, the government will have step it. 

Those of us who support true free markets with the consequences of failure to regulate the greed and incomptent really get tired of these right wing and left wing people who probably have never written a business plan or managed a business project</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reality is that we need to get the credit system going to enable the free market to get going. Then we have to get the economy going. </p>
<p>Given the propensity for our industry&#8217;s to invest overseas, it is going to have to be focused on local infrastructure and small business.</p>
<p>We need to the remember that this mess was started with Subprime, no document loans from a unregulated industry. A lot of the securitization was done by the lightly regulated Investment banks which no long er exist because of the fiasco. The Credit Default Swap fiasco was from a unregulated industry. The financial rating system was on the take and is no longer credible. </p>
<p>These guy&#8217;s take all these risks and the public is left with the disaster. So the ardent proponents of free markets in fact are hippocrits. When they get in trouble they come crawling to the government. They make welfare queens look like pikers. </p>
<p>Since the free market is not regulating itself, the government will have step it. </p>
<p>Those of us who support true free markets with the consequences of failure to regulate the greed and incomptent really get tired of these right wing and left wing people who probably have never written a business plan or managed a business project</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Markom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099289</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Markom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You see, historians pretty much agree that Amity Shlaes — in addition to her book having been thoroughly discredited — is simply a fringe-right-wing bloviator of the sort most commonly found skanking around cesspools like Fox “News”.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

If you are a Daily Kos/MSNBC sycophant then you believe that. The only people trying to discredit her are far left ideologues and people, like yourself, who have not read primary information.

I read books sir and don&#039;t accept information because it benefits one political party of the other. Facts matter.

Also David Sirota is a political pundit - not a credible historian or economist. And his primary source of support is from The New York Times which is no longer a credible source of any information including sports.

I would suggest you actually pick up Amity Shlaes book and read it yourself before embarrassing yourself with more uninformed bloviation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>You see, historians pretty much agree that Amity Shlaes — in addition to her book having been thoroughly discredited — is simply a fringe-right-wing bloviator of the sort most commonly found skanking around cesspools like Fox “News”.</strong></em></p>
<p>If you are a Daily Kos/MSNBC sycophant then you believe that. The only people trying to discredit her are far left ideologues and people, like yourself, who have not read primary information.</p>
<p>I read books sir and don&#8217;t accept information because it benefits one political party of the other. Facts matter.</p>
<p>Also David Sirota is a political pundit &#8211; not a credible historian or economist. And his primary source of support is from The New York Times which is no longer a credible source of any information including sports.</p>
<p>I would suggest you actually pick up Amity Shlaes book and read it yourself before embarrassing yourself with more uninformed bloviation.</p>
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		<title>By: C. D. Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099241</link>
		<dc:creator>C. D. Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, uh . . . Steve?

You&#039;ve been listening to too much Corporate Media again, haven&#039;t you?  Tsk-tsk.  It could be &#039;lump-of-coal&#039; time for you (again!) this year, I&#039;m afraid.

You see, historians pretty much agree that Amity Shlaes — in addition to her book having been thoroughly discredited — is simply a fringe-right-wing bloviator of the sort most commonly found skanking around cesspools like Fox &quot;News&quot;.

You might want to take advantage of the holidays to study up on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10609&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fox News: &#039;Historians Pretty Much Agree&#039; That FDR Prolonged the Great Depression&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, by David Sirota, for &#039;teh infos&#039; on Shlaes&#039; jihad against all things FDR.

Joyous Festivus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, uh . . . Steve?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been listening to too much Corporate Media again, haven&#8217;t you?  Tsk-tsk.  It could be &#8216;lump-of-coal&#8217; time for you (again!) this year, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>You see, historians pretty much agree that Amity Shlaes — in addition to her book having been thoroughly discredited — is simply a fringe-right-wing bloviator of the sort most commonly found skanking around cesspools like Fox &#8220;News&#8221;.</p>
<p>You might want to take advantage of the holidays to study up on <a href="http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10609" rel="nofollow"><em>Fox News: &#8216;Historians Pretty Much Agree&#8217; That FDR Prolonged the Great Depression</em></a>, by David Sirota, for &#8216;teh infos&#8217; on Shlaes&#8217; jihad against all things FDR.</p>
<p>Joyous Festivus!</p>
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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099162</link>
		<dc:creator>justsomeone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rewarding work not wealth&quot;, is an Obama phrase that should scare the hell out of every retiree in the USA who saved for their retirement. My guess: Obama will whittle retirees down toward the dole. Taxes on earned interest, dividends &amp; cap gains (with exception of small business) for any senior making more than 25K a yr are going up, up &amp; away. He&#039;ll be well into his second term before enough baby boomers retire &amp; create a viable  backlash &amp; by that time he&#039;ll have handed out enough citizenship cards to the teeming masses of illegals to muster the necessary votes to nullify any resistance. &quot;Punishing savings &amp; rewarding debt&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rewarding work not wealth&#8221;, is an Obama phrase that should scare the hell out of every retiree in the USA who saved for their retirement. My guess: Obama will whittle retirees down toward the dole. Taxes on earned interest, dividends &amp; cap gains (with exception of small business) for any senior making more than 25K a yr are going up, up &amp; away. He&#8217;ll be well into his second term before enough baby boomers retire &amp; create a viable  backlash &amp; by that time he&#8217;ll have handed out enough citizenship cards to the teeming masses of illegals to muster the necessary votes to nullify any resistance. &#8220;Punishing savings &amp; rewarding debt&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099085</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the New Deal initiatives were declared unconstitutional

The New Deal didn&#039;t take effect until there was 25 percent unemployment and &quot;the recession&quot; had been spiraling out of control for 3 years.

I think anyone who lived during that time who benefited from PWA would tell you that it saved them from starvation.  

Many of the structures built by the PWA are still in use today.  We actually had something of value that promoted continued use economically after they were build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the New Deal initiatives were declared unconstitutional</p>
<p>The New Deal didn&#8217;t take effect until there was 25 percent unemployment and &#8220;the recession&#8221; had been spiraling out of control for 3 years.</p>
<p>I think anyone who lived during that time who benefited from PWA would tell you that it saved them from starvation.  </p>
<p>Many of the structures built by the PWA are still in use today.  We actually had something of value that promoted continued use economically after they were build.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099068</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Northwest rain, many children are well educated at home. I had a friend who did it and at first I was skeptical. But in many states there is a network of parents who home school. They get together and work on lessons. These networks of children and parents put on plays and take field trips. My friends group even had junior and senior proms. They also put on a play, Shakespeare no less. And they were fantastic!

Most states also require these children to pass the state&#039;s graduation test to get a diploma. The children of these parents know what the standards are and make sure they are covered.

Other states or specific school districts also offer some classes in a regular classroom that children can attend. These are with a certified teacher. Students come once or twice a week, for insance to use a science lab. Parents also meet with these teachers to make lesson plans and to borrow classroom textbooks to aid in their lessons.

I know another former teacher who is a supervisor of home school parents who drives around a small region and meets with parents and offers suggestions and lesson plans.

There are also on-line resources for home schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Northwest rain, many children are well educated at home. I had a friend who did it and at first I was skeptical. But in many states there is a network of parents who home school. They get together and work on lessons. These networks of children and parents put on plays and take field trips. My friends group even had junior and senior proms. They also put on a play, Shakespeare no less. And they were fantastic!</p>
<p>Most states also require these children to pass the state&#8217;s graduation test to get a diploma. The children of these parents know what the standards are and make sure they are covered.</p>
<p>Other states or specific school districts also offer some classes in a regular classroom that children can attend. These are with a certified teacher. Students come once or twice a week, for insance to use a science lab. Parents also meet with these teachers to make lesson plans and to borrow classroom textbooks to aid in their lessons.</p>
<p>I know another former teacher who is a supervisor of home school parents who drives around a small region and meets with parents and offers suggestions and lesson plans.</p>
<p>There are also on-line resources for home schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Markom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099055</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Markom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real &quot;numbers don&#039;t lie; only liars lie:&quot;

The GNP is not the proper measure for the relative health of an economy that has dramatically shifted from a free market system to a big government employer system. 

If you want to talk about market growth look at the Dow Jones Industrial Average in January of each year. What is in bold are the New Deal years before World War II.

&lt;strong&gt;DJIA	January&lt;/strong&gt;
1929	308
1930	286
1931	172
1932	 73
&lt;strong&gt;1933	 55
1934	102
1935	101
1936	156
1937	186
1938	 99
1939	131
1940	148
1941	123&lt;/strong&gt;
1942	 99
1943	137

Then of course there is unemployment. 

Unemployment Rate
1929	3.3%
1930	8.9%
1931	15.9%
1932	23.6%
&lt;strong&gt;1933	24.9%
1934	21.7%
1935	20.1%
1936	17.0%
1937	14.3%
1938	19.0%
1939	17.2%
1940	14.6%
1941	  9.9%&lt;/strong&gt;
1942	  4.7%

The only way you could consider the New Deal an economic policy success is if you consider a average sustained unemployment rate of over 15% for over 7 years a success. Before WW II the government was already accepting that there would be a permanent base of unemployment at over 10% and had run out of ideas.

If you want to talk about specifically what good things and what bad things came out of the New Deal then that is a worthwhile discussion. But to characterize the New Deal as a success is just not factually and historically right.

As I said, you either learn from history or you are destined to repeat it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real &#8220;numbers don&#8217;t lie; only liars lie:&#8221;</p>
<p>The GNP is not the proper measure for the relative health of an economy that has dramatically shifted from a free market system to a big government employer system. </p>
<p>If you want to talk about market growth look at the Dow Jones Industrial Average in January of each year. What is in bold are the New Deal years before World War II.</p>
<p><strong>DJIA	January</strong><br />
1929	308<br />
1930	286<br />
1931	172<br />
1932	 73<br />
<strong>1933	 55<br />
1934	102<br />
1935	101<br />
1936	156<br />
1937	186<br />
1938	 99<br />
1939	131<br />
1940	148<br />
1941	123</strong><br />
1942	 99<br />
1943	137</p>
<p>Then of course there is unemployment. </p>
<p>Unemployment Rate<br />
1929	3.3%<br />
1930	8.9%<br />
1931	15.9%<br />
1932	23.6%<br />
<strong>1933	24.9%<br />
1934	21.7%<br />
1935	20.1%<br />
1936	17.0%<br />
1937	14.3%<br />
1938	19.0%<br />
1939	17.2%<br />
1940	14.6%<br />
1941	  9.9%</strong><br />
1942	  4.7%</p>
<p>The only way you could consider the New Deal an economic policy success is if you consider a average sustained unemployment rate of over 15% for over 7 years a success. Before WW II the government was already accepting that there would be a permanent base of unemployment at over 10% and had run out of ideas.</p>
<p>If you want to talk about specifically what good things and what bad things came out of the New Deal then that is a worthwhile discussion. But to characterize the New Deal as a success is just not factually and historically right.</p>
<p>As I said, you either learn from history or you are destined to repeat it.</p>
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		<title>By: Northwest rain</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1099029</link>
		<dc:creator>Northwest rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Home schooling myth.

  Problem is home schooling requires ADULT SUPERVISION -- and that means one parent (usually the mother unit) to remain at home.

  Home schooling implies that the parents are themselves are literate and educated. How many parents know how to find places on a world globe? Teachers should know a bit more than their students and not be total ignorant blobs (which has been proven in this last election that a large percentage of the population have little or no critical thinking ability or a basic level of knowledge.)



   Home schooling requires someone who knows something about education -- the slick packages and computer based lessons are for the generic child/student. 

  Home school still needs a TRAINED teacher. 

  Too often home schooling is done by parents to teach a specific dogma -- religious or political or both. 

   Few parents (and many teachers) are equipped to deal with LEARNING DISABILITIES -- and the pre packaged programmed learning certainly cannot adapt to the wide range of learning disabilities. 

   Some students are self motivated and can adapt to nearly any chaotic situation -- but students with say, attention deficit disorder, will require someone who has had experience in motivating and managing such a child. 

  There is a reason why community schools were a major feature in the west ward migration -- when enough families settled in frontier outpost -- churches and schools were established.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Home schooling myth.</p>
<p>  Problem is home schooling requires ADULT SUPERVISION &#8212; and that means one parent (usually the mother unit) to remain at home.</p>
<p>  Home schooling implies that the parents are themselves are literate and educated. How many parents know how to find places on a world globe? Teachers should know a bit more than their students and not be total ignorant blobs (which has been proven in this last election that a large percentage of the population have little or no critical thinking ability or a basic level of knowledge.)</p>
<p>   Home schooling requires someone who knows something about education &#8212; the slick packages and computer based lessons are for the generic child/student. </p>
<p>  Home school still needs a TRAINED teacher. </p>
<p>  Too often home schooling is done by parents to teach a specific dogma &#8212; religious or political or both. </p>
<p>   Few parents (and many teachers) are equipped to deal with LEARNING DISABILITIES &#8212; and the pre packaged programmed learning certainly cannot adapt to the wide range of learning disabilities. </p>
<p>   Some students are self motivated and can adapt to nearly any chaotic situation &#8212; but students with say, attention deficit disorder, will require someone who has had experience in motivating and managing such a child. </p>
<p>  There is a reason why community schools were a major feature in the west ward migration &#8212; when enough families settled in frontier outpost &#8212; churches and schools were established.</p>
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		<title>By: propertius</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1098997</link>
		<dc:creator>propertius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most serious error (or is it just a bald-faced lie) in this piece is the assertion that the New Deal made the Depression worse. Fortunately, the statistics necessary to refute this ridiculous assertion are pretty widely available - a simple glance at table 2 in the following Wikipedia article should suffice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_United_States

US GNP in constant dollars increased by 52.1% from 1933 to 1937. In the same time period, US exports more than doubled, and the unemployment rate was nearly halved. Yes, there was a mild recession in 1938 (resulting in 0.2% - that&#039;s right, two-tenths of a percent - reduction in GNP), but by 1940 the GNP had grown another 10% and was 65.4% higher than it had been in 1933 when FDR took office. 

Figures don&#039;t lie - the New Deal was an amazing success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most serious error (or is it just a bald-faced lie) in this piece is the assertion that the New Deal made the Depression worse. Fortunately, the statistics necessary to refute this ridiculous assertion are pretty widely available &#8211; a simple glance at table 2 in the following Wikipedia article should suffice:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_United_States</a></p>
<p>US GNP in constant dollars increased by 52.1% from 1933 to 1937. In the same time period, US exports more than doubled, and the unemployment rate was nearly halved. Yes, there was a mild recession in 1938 (resulting in 0.2% &#8211; that&#8217;s right, two-tenths of a percent &#8211; reduction in GNP), but by 1940 the GNP had grown another 10% and was 65.4% higher than it had been in 1933 when FDR took office. </p>
<p>Figures don&#8217;t lie &#8211; the New Deal was an amazing success.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1098981</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving is a big part of Christmas, look into your heart and do what you can for the needy..........................



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDC0qcf0kzE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving is a big part of Christmas, look into your heart and do what you can for the needy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDC0qcf0kzE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDC0qcf0kzE</a></p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9260/depression-reality/#comment-1098978</link>
		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct rolling thunder, and it often depended wheer you lived. Also, the 70&#039;s was the start of the decline in steel. The times were rough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct rolling thunder, and it often depended wheer you lived. Also, the 70&#8242;s was the start of the decline in steel. The times were rough.</p>
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