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Glimmer of Hope for US Policy Towards Iraq and Iran

Call me Don Quixote, but we may have a chance to get US policy towards Iran and Iraq back into the realm of sanity despite the Bush Administrations’ suicidal tendencies. I base this in part on the results of briefing on consecutive days this week two very diverse groups of members of Congress. I will not tell you whether they were Senators or Representatives or both. Nor will I divulge the full details of our closed door discussions. (And, I did not get paid anything nor am I asking any member of Congress to do anything other than act in the best interest of the people of the United States).

Wednesday night I participated in the briefing of 14 members of Congress, a majority of whom would be labeled as liberal Democrats by most Republicans (but a couple of classy Republicans did attend that session). The following day I briefed 12 Republican legislators, who by Democratic standards, are considered libertarian to ultra conservative. The topic was the same–Is War with Iran Inevitable and What are our Options?

I was encouraged on several fronts. First, I got to brief two members who are vying for their respective party’s presidential nomination. Second, there appears to be an emerging consensus among Republicans and Democrats–who, under most circumstances, are at each others throats–that we need to find a way to protect the strategic interests of the United States in the Middle East without going to war with Iran and while extricating our troops from the civil war in Iraq.

In the usual Larry Johnson fashion I spoke directly about my analysis of ongoing events in Iraq and Iran and discussed how events in one can and will influence events in the other. Some of the information I shared I cannot write on any blog, but I was able to share some key insights with the members that I believe they need to know and have a right to know. Both groups got the same information. If you cannot tell folks who sit on Intelligence Committees where to look for smoking guns who can you tell?

I did begin each briefing by noting that I think I’m the only registered Republican to give the Democratic Response to the President’s Saturday Radio address because of my relationship with Valerie Plame Wilson, a former colleague and longstanding friend. Members from both parties laughed, although a couple of the Republicans appeared to choke a bit. Both groups listened attentively. Both groups asked smart probing questions. And both groups recognize our country is in a pickle right now and something needs to be done to send a signal.

Yesterday’s lopsided vote in the House, giving the President two months to provide details on a withdrawing US combat troops from Iraq is, in my view, evidence that the tide is turning and turning decisively.

There are some things the members of the Congress ought to do to put the necessary heat on the Administration to ensure that our nation’s security is protected.

First, a bipartisan delegation–comprised of Senators and Representatives–ought to travel soonest to Tehran and speak with senior government and religious figures. The message must be simple and direct. I believe we should communicate the following:

  • The United States will take appropriate steps to punish any groups or states who back terrorist attacks against our interests.
  • The United States wants a friendly relationship with Iran and wants to enlist Iran in helping quell the violence in Iraq.
  • The United States will reward Iran with improved economic ties in exchange for concrete evidence that it will not pursue a nuclear weapon.

Second, Congress needs to help educate the American people to the fact that most of the violence we face in Iraq is not caused by Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has become a convenient shorthand to describe Islamic extremists of all types, but such labeling does not help us promote a sound strategy for getting the violence under control and promoting sectarian reconciliation.

Third, we need to change our language in discussing what we should do and want to do in Iraq. The current debate is silly. Americans are presented with a stark choice of “Stay the Course” or “Cut and Run”. We need a mature, informed discussion. Like it or not we have strategic interests, starting with oil, in the Middle East. We are not going to run for helicopters and abandon Iraq for twenty years like it we did in Vietnam. We need to accept the following realities:

  • We do not have a large enough military force in Iraq to separate the warring sides and impose a peace.
  • We do not have the political will to institute a draft and train enough soldiers to achieve the force necessary to impose a peace so we need to stop kidding ourselves.
  • We need to focus our efforts on employing U.S. Special Forces (i.e., the Green Berets) as longterm trainers for Iraqi military and police.
  • We need to start over and insist that all newly trained units be fully integrated and include Shia and Sunni contingents.
  • We need a diplomatic strategy to reduce the concern in the region that we are setting Iran up as the new king of the region.
  • We must end unilateral military action in Iraq and allow Iraq assert its sovereignty. As long as Blackwater has more clout in the streets of Baghdad than any Iraqi police or military official, then the United States will be blamed for all violence and all that goes wrong.

The time to cut apron strings is upon us. I left the briefings recognizing that members on both sides of the aisle recognize something needs to be done. Both sides recognize military spending is out of control. Both sides recognize that we can no longer continue pouring two billion dollars a week into Iraq.

And one final thought. I caught a glimpse of the bipartisan spirit. I can find issues where I will disagree with Republicans and with Democrats. But I did detect a genuine love for the ideal of America on both sides. It is that spirit we must recover and reignite. I realize that partisan nerves are raw. We need to try to do the impossible–find a way to reconcile as Americans as the campaign season heats up. We must find a way because the dangers ahead in both Iran and Iraq could grievously damage this nation if we fail to act intelligently.

  • http://deleted lester

    with all due respect, here’s my edited version of your 3 diplomatic points. One that iran may bother to consider looking at:

    The United States will edit- NOT – take appropriate steps to punish any groups or states who back terrorist attacks against our interests.

    The United States wants a friendly relationship with Iran and wants to enlist Iran in helping quell the violence in Iraq

    The United States will reward Iran with improved economic ties .

    it is not at all in their interest to geuflect before americas hegemony or alleged terrorist hunting capabilities.

  • CalGal

    I truly respect Mr. Johnson’s opinion and am a little bit hopeful that what he has stated is happening. We cannot get anywhere in the mess we’re in without all of our people working together. It’s time to throw the Karl Rove divide and conquer method of government. Politics should not be the way our government reacts. You use politics to get elected, you use government to make America strong and healthy.

  • http://schwifty.blogspot.com/ schwifty

    Larry, why no mention of potential international cooperation? These were all encouraging bilateral steps in terms of party politics and diplomacy with the primary players, but what about the tertiary players? Is international support just such a total non-starter because of the cowboy Bush albatross that it’s not worth going that far down the road (at least, in terms of near term planning)?

  • Chris Vosburg

    The United States wants a friendly relationship with Iran and wants to enlist Iran in helping quell the violence in Iraq.

    Unless I’m very much mistaken, Iran has consistently offered a hand in this. Bush, apparently, views “we can help you with Iraq” as an attack.

    Nice piece, Larry.

  • http://www.phoenixwoman.wordpress.com Charles

    Thanks for doing this, Larry.

    I think few Americans, including many in Congress, have no idea what sort of disaster we are on the precipice of.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Wonderful post Larry, thank you! Hope Congress follows up on your recommendations, especially sending a delegation to Iran. Because the time to prevent another war is now.

  • Michael Gass

    Larry,

    One thing I note is that you routinely use the word “interests”. Oil. You did say it, yes, but lets call it what it is; we want control of the oil.

    We have wanted control since the 1950′s. It doesn’t take a CIA person to know this, simply, anyone who has followed American foreign policy.

    But, respectfully, the two issues (protecting the oil and separating ourselves from the Iraq war) are not mutually exclusive. In fact, we cannot “protect our interests” AND leave Iraq. That is WHY we are trying to keep bases in Iraq; to protect the oil… er… our “interests”.

    We cannot do both.

    Either we protect the oil, or, we leave Iraq and buy the oil like any other country. We cannot have it both ways.

    I do, however, respect that you cannot tell us what was briefed (classified, I know). But, we CAN have intelligent discourse on the situation as it is.

  • Brien

    Excellent information, and with enough to read in between-the-lines. In order to extract ourselves from the quagmire in the shifting sands we are unhappily in, we are going to need the assistance of many arab/islamic groups in order to assure the many factions within Iraq (moreover, the many factions within those factions) that some form of equitable basis of powersharing can be reached. This administration has no credibility at with those factions (given its connections to Blackwater and the Neocons who seem to put another middle east state ahead of everything else) and hence, we need to reach out to all the groups and that includes Iran. This surely sounds like the lighting of one candle in an otherwise dark place. I thank you for you service. (A Former US Navy Officer).

  • Danube of Thought

    Unfortunately, there is no hope. It now appears that the U.S. may actually succeed in Iraq, which will only encourage Bushitler to lay waste to Iran. Te first step on the road to doom is to make our enemies hurt and angry.

  • Shirin

    we are going to need the assistance of many arab/islamic groups in order to assure the many factions within Iraq (moreover, the many factions within those factions) that some form of equitable basis of powersharing can be reached

    What you (i.e. Americans) think you need and what Iraqis need are, as usual, two very different things. What Iraqis need is fewer parties meddling in their business, not more. What you (i.e. Americans) seem to think you need is more people helping you meddle.

    One of the problems with bringing in “many
    Arab/Islamic groups is that everyone who meddles will be, as are you (i.e. Americans), mainly interested in how they can profit from said meddling.

    I am glad to see you (i.e. Americans) working on these questions, and the apparent good reception to Larry’s briefings was the first piece of non-discouraging news I have heard in a very long time. I hope this is a sign that the present crisis regarding Iran can and will be averted. It is also good to see Congress members listening and thinking seriously about specific actions to change the catastrophic approach to Iraq. However, as long as you persist in approaching things from the point of view of what Americans need and not what Iranis and Iraqis need, the situation will not really be resolved – at least not as a result of your actions.

  • readerOfTeaLeaves

    Interesting post; thx.

    I happened to click from this site over to TalkingPointsMemo, where I watched a video of the current WH spokesperson (Dana Perino) indignantly insist to a roomful of reporters that ‘the US doesn’t torture’.

    The press was incredulous.
    Here’s hoping that Congress reacts similarly.
    It’s quite obvious at this point that the WH is in way over its head, which means that Congress is going to have to ‘step up to the plate’.

    No time to lose.

  • Patrick Henry

    Larry..

    Thank you for sharing this information with us..it is a VERY Interesting read..and nice to know you are participating in these types and levels of briefings..at the bi~partisan Congressional level..and the positive aspects of your report are encouraging….because unlike what the Bush administration Propoganda machine says..We CAN rely on you for alternative Points of view and input..

    I believe that with input from people like you..and lessons learned from the past actions of the Bush administration….Congress with start to maintain more Bi~Partisan Checks and balances and Controls..preventing any Unilateral Unprovoked Attacks on Iran during the rest of Bushs time in Office….and there will indeed be more Diplomatic solutions in the near future.. which will result in an easing of tensions and less direct American participation in Armed Conflicts..

    After that..we must wait and see what Developes..

  • Taters

    Well done Larry. May you always tilt at windmills. And should the “crazy knight” ever need a squire – you know where to find one.

    http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/2/5/Pablo-Picasso-Don-Quixote-25642.jpg

  • Brien

    Appreciate the thoughts; I think that, due to perhaps incautious terminology, you may have mis-understood my intent: “we” in this case is not what “we americans,” need- but what “we”- those who want to see an end to all this, must hope for. I am an avid reader/lister to Colonel Patrick Lang and the opinion I expressed in my comment is based on a broad range of his observations wherein a fair exit strategy in Iraq requires the many factions present there today to feel included in the power process. It is a difficult balancing act to say the least. That’ is the more exact context to my thoughts. I personally was and remain wholly against having invaded- it was an utterly wrong thing to do. My view is at least owe the region some effort at rational power sharing on the way out. Again, appreciate the observation.

  • Detroit Sam

    “It now appears that the U.S. may actually succeed in Iraq”

    And the evidence for this is??????????

    Perhaps a better source of information for you on the state of the occupation in Iraq would be the foreign press, the BBC, IHT or the McClatchy news services.

  • Taters

    Detroit Sam,
    Troll alert, threat – low.
    Our Red Wings won the season opener vs Anaheim. ;0

  • Donovan Fraser

    “It now appears that the U.S. may actually succeed in Iraq”

    I agree with detroit,
    If by succeed you mean “historically fucking up”, then your belief of succeeding is correct.

    hell for that matter , why don’t we just print “WE WON, Mission accomplised, WAR OVER” on the front of the NY Times. Then it will be surely be so..

    Oh yeah been there done that…

  • mboy

    thank you for your continued patriotism, larry! this is encouraging and hope congress listens.

  • http://neufneuf.blogspot.com 99

    I feel a micron of relief, Larry. Thank you. I’m hoping you can make this a weekly gig, if not a daily one… the retrieval of some measure of sense being that vital to the whole world, not that I wish on anyone such a task.

    I’m really worried about how in the heck Iran could ever give concrete evidence it’s not pursuing nuclear weapons, and don’t know how they can begin to defend themselves against the multifarious allegations of their perfidy, all of which are blown out of all proportion when not outright untrue.

    I’m ignoring completely the notion that oil for us could possibly be worth the carnage, abjection, torture, ruination and displacement of millions and millions of innocent people in order to humbly state that I am thankful you troubled to lobby for something closer to sense than we’ve seen in six years.

  • Titus Pullo

    Charles is correct, I think most Americans are oblivious to the consequences of an attack on Iran. Has anyone in the media layed out what Iran might do in retaliation? I would really like to see this spelled out by someone, I’ve heard conflicting reports regarding some impressive missile technology the Iranians supposedly possess. Can they realistically shut down the Straits of Hormuz? My guess is they can, but I’m just a guy. Once again, the MSM is heavy on the fear and light on the possible consequences of this potential action. Most Americans probably assume it will just be something they’ll hear about on the news while they’re channel surfing, while I feel a significant increase in gas prices might push our house-of-cards economy over the edge. Am I being paranoid?

  • larue

    I completely disagree that ‘our interests’ in terms of oil or politics are of ANY importance.

    So far, Big Brother’s Capitalist Combine and The War Machine have led us to the brink of complete ruin and collapse. All this, while destroying the middle class of our nation.

    And they have wiped their asses with our Constitution, in the process.

    The ‘interests’ being pursued by the 1% Elitists who RULE our nation are killing not only people abroad, but they are killing our souls.

    “The United States will take appropriate steps to punish any groups or states who back terrorist attacks against our interests.”

    If we were not PURSUING those unneeded greedy 1% interests, and instead, helping those countries to DEVELOP themselves, and helping OUR OWN MIDDLE CLASS to develop ITSELF, then we would NOT have the problems we do.

    It’s time to apologize to the world, and rebuild internally and externally.

    We have nukes. We have a delivery system to send them. In SELF DEFENSE!

    There’s no need anymore to lord and lust over the planet.

    If we turned to our own MIGHTY capability, we could have an alternative energy source in a few years . . we could stand the War Machine and Big Brother on its ear by becomeing self sufficient for energy, and food.

    And the world would embrace us as leaders, not terrorists. We ARE the terrorists, Mr. Johnson. We have taken what is NOT ours. We have destroyed and slaughtered to do so.

    Please, the next time you brief these pols, how about holding them accountable for their misdeeds, and making them responsile to WE THE PEOPLE!

    The progressives of this nation, growing by leaps and bounds in numbers, deserve better.

    And so do the poor, the illiterate, the hungry, and all those without access to decent and equitable health care who live in OUR country.

    Hell we DEMAND better.

    The status quo of Big Biz and War Machine must have its grip removed from the loins of the masses.

    We demand better, Mr. Johnson.

    And we demand better of YOU, as we demand of any who would champion to lead us.

    I hope you hear us. I hope you tell the pols, to listen to us. We demand it.

  • http://1boringoldman.com/index.php/2007/10/05/something-positive-to-talk-about/ 1 Boring Old Man » something positive to talk about…

    [...] Johnson, friend of Valerie Plame, ex-CIA Analyst, and blogger [No Quarter] has this to say today: Glimmer of Hope for US Policy Towards Iraq and Iran By Larry [...]

  • Bill Keyes

    Great article, Larry.

    At others above pointed out any communication across the aisle is better than the normal polarizing fighting.

    Also many of your points especially a delegation to Tehran is brilliant.

    However with all due respect, there is one point that is not mentioned and that is the US role in all of this.

    In order to discuss any kind of solution you first need to discuss and agree whether the US is part of the problem or not.

    The old adage that if you are part of the problem you (I’ll paraphrase here) will probably have to be involved in the solution but you CANNOT be in charge of the solution.

    This crisis in the ME which is far greater than any other so called crisis there,
    is largely of our own making. I don’t see how you can solve anything without some input and oversight from the world community.

    Are we part of the problem??? You’d better believe it! We are the major part of the problem. So how can we be in charge of the solution?

    How does the world know who speaks for the US? All they have seen for 6 years is an Uncle Sam poster with a gun pointed at them.

    While many conflicts have been settled by the gun usually when one side cried uncle or simply waived a white flag, this conflict which is really not a conflict, and in reality is no different than when Sadaam invaded Kuwait, will not end with a military style victory so desperately wanted by by the Bush administration.

    The only solution is a diplomatic one which could easily be handled by the UN.

    It would take a long time and a lot of effort because the whole mess is incredibly complex, but there is no way the rest of the world should let us dictate how this mess should be settled.

    These people Larry met with should have a press conference and say from henceforth the Congress of the US is going to take control of the US foreign policy and on a lighter note tell the rest of the world to ignore the man behind the curtain “the stupid and braindead Ozbush”.

  • Kathleen

    This is the best news that I have heard in a while. Watching and listening to the same “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran the last four years that generally go unchallenged has been terrifying.

    All the while the director of the Iaea Mr. El Baradei has been repeating that Iran poses no “imminent threat” and that there is “no” hard evidence to back up the cakewalk zealots claims about Iran. (and of course who gets the most MSM coverage)

    Mr. Johnson this is good news indeed. Will keep doing what citizens are supposed to do push for the truth, be vigilant and demand that our Reps do the same.

    Iranian lives are on the line here.

  • Bill Keyes

    Shirin

    Could the UN help sovle the catastrophe in Iraq?

  • Patrick Henry

    Titus..

    I don’t think you are being Paranoid..you have realistic concerns..The consequences may not be talked about much in American MSM.but they are very Known and discussed throughout Europe ..and among all the World leaders…

    Iran War scenarios/consequences should be a HOT TOPIC.. as you point out..i/e..a one-two Hour documentary on the type of Gulf war scenarios you talk about and its various potential global consequences..and economic..political..and military reactions and responses..since thats what President Bush threatens to do almost weekly..and trys to justify it..or force Iran to blink first..

    It all may be a game to Creat Global Paranoia..It may all be a game to manipulate the Global markets to Inflate Gas/Petrolium prices and Stock values..and Increase Insider Wealth..until they all feel they have milked that Cow long enough..and tehn suddenly we have Diplomatic Resolutions..and “Peace at Last..Peace at Last” Jubilation..

    Like Pre 9/11 One should be wtaching the futures markets for Spikes and Manipulations every day..and changes in the Posturing World Wide..

    The other alternative is that Preident Bush will continue his game of arrogance and over Confident and Dellusional thinking until they wake him up at O4 Hundred Dark early Hours One morning and inform him that the Gulf of Hormuz has become Americas next Pearl Harbor..and that its not just Iran Involved in the Suprise attack on Our Military/Fleet there..

    What ever happened to the understanding that there would be Mutually Assured Destruction..??

    Or..has the United States become too Over Confident of its Military Superiority ..and has too little Intelligence on other Nations current R&D..?? Or even Irans ability to do thier own 9/11 scenario in the gulf..??

    What are the distractions and focus on Iraq/Iran Costing us..?? Besides making life miserable for millions of people..ours and thiers..and scaring the hell out of everyone..??

    How far will things go..?

    Lots of Questions..lots of Potential scenarios..Lots of Intrigue..

    Stayed tuned to No Quarter..

    and buy lots of Chicken noodle soup..a good camp stove and Candles..

    Winters coming..

  • Sandy

    Larry, I hope you are right….that there is some hope. I prefer to believe it; the alternative is too horrifying.

    Titus Pullo:

    There’s this:

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070903_the_next_quagmire/

    THE NEXT QUAGMIRE
    Sep 3, 2007
    By Chris Hedges

    (excerpt) “…The Pentagon has reportedly drawn up plans for a series of airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran.  The air attacks are designed to cripple the Iranians’ military capability in three days. The Bushehr nuclear power plant, along with targets in Saghand and Yazd, the uranium enrichment facility in Natanz, a heavy-water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak, the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit, and the uranium conversion facility and nuclear technology center in Isfahan, will all probably be struck by the United States and perhaps even Israeli warplanes.  The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran molybdenum, iodine and xenon radioisotope production facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, and the Kalaye Electric Co. in the Tehran suburbs will also most likely come under attack.

    But then what?  We don’t have the troops to invade.  And we don’t have anyone minding the helm who knows the slightest thing about Persian culture or the Middle East.  There is no one in power in Washington with the empathy to get it.  We will lurch blindly into a catastrophe of our own creation. 

    It is not hard to imagine what will happen.  Iranian Shabab-3 and Shabab-4 missiles, which cannot reach the United States, will be launched at Israel, as well as American military bases and the Green Zone in Baghdad.  Expect massive American casualties, especially in Iraq, where Iranian agents and their Iraqi allies will be able to call in precise coordinates.  The Strait of Hormuz, which is the corridor for 20 percent of the world’s oil supply, will be shut down.  Chinese-supplied C-801 and C-802 anti-shipping missiles, mines and coastal artillery will target U.S. shipping, along with Saudi oil production and oil export centers.  Oil prices will skyrocket to well over $4 a gallon.  The dollar will tumble against the euro.  Hezbollah forces in southern Lebanon, interpreting the war as an attack on all Shiites, will fire rockets into northern Israel.  Israel, already struck by missiles from Tehran, will begin retaliatory raids on Lebanon and Iran.  Pakistan, with a huge Shiite minority, will reach greater levels of instability.  The unrest could result in the overthrow of the weakened American ally President Pervez Musharraf and usher into power Islamic radicals.  Pakistan could become the first radical Islamic state to possess a nuclear weapon.  The neat little war with Iran, which few Democrats oppose, has the potential to ignite a regional inferno. 

    We have rendered the nation deaf and dumb.  We no longer have the capacity for empathy.  We prefer to amuse ourselves with trivia and gossip that pass for news rather than understand.  We are blinded by our military prowess.  We believe that huge explosions and death are an effective form of communication.  And the rest of the world is learning to speak our language.

    Chris Hedges, a Pulitzer prize-winning reporter, was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times.  He spent seven years in the Middle East and reported frequently from Iran.  His latest book is “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.”

  • Shirin

    Thanks for your response, Brien, and I do understand. However, what I said still holds. What the Americans feel they need to do, and what the Iraqis need are two very different, and mostly diametrically opposed things.

    As for Patrick Lang, with all respect to him and his very excellent knowledge and experience of the Arab world, he still views Arabs and Muslims very much through an American lens and in terms of American “interests”. He clearly sees Arabs as a sort of “exotic other”. Given his professional background that is inevitable. He reveals this orientation in the manner in which he speaks of Arabs and Muslims. He revealed it very strongly when he commented (and I am paraphrasing) that he has chosen to live most of his life among foreigners, and the stranger the better. So, clearly to him Arabs and Muslims are “strange” people. No doubt he likes and may even respect Arabs and Muslims, and yet the fact that he describes them as “strange” tells us that there is something missing, some layer or layers that are opaque to him. This is not a criticism of him at all, merely an observation about his limitations despite his great knowledge and experience.

    So, as much as Patrick Lang is very much worth listening to and taking seriously, he has limitations when it comes to really getting Arabs, and actually seeing things from an Arab as opposed to an America-centric point of view. I guess you could say there is something missing on the empathy side. I also find some of his fundamental assumptions are quite far off the mark and therefore lead to conclusions that are also off the mark (for what it is worth, I have said something similar about Juan Cole, who for all his knowledge and his excellent grasp of the Arabic language, still does not “get it”, and therefore comes to some conclusions that look very odd to most Arabs).

    You say you feel you owe some effort at a rational power sharing way out? My immediate response and my intermediate response, and my final response are this: While I appreciate your (i.e. you, Brien) good intentions and desire to make things right before departing, haven’t you (i.e. Americans) done enough? Isn’t it clear by now that Americans have the reverse midas touch when it comes to Iraq, and that everything you touch there turns to s***? Just leave, please. Leave promptly, quickly, and completely and for once in history history stop meddling and let Iraqis determine how they will arrange their lives and their country. It is not up to you, it is up to Iraqis, and Iraqis can do better without your “help”. There is simply nothing you can do in Iraq that will be good. On the contrary, whatever you do it will be harmful and will make matter worse.

    I will end for now by noting that, entirely predictably, Basra has quieted down considerably now that the British are no longer occupying the city. Life there is far from back to normal, and it will take a long time for things to work themselves out, but at least now there is a chance of things beginning to mend.

  • Shirin

    Brien, you might also be interested in this article: Only a U.S. Withdrawal Will Stop Al Qaeda in Iraq

    I concur wholeheartedly with the thesis of this article, though I could quibble with a detail here and there.

    One of the things that has annoyed me is that the tribes in Anbar province are not joining with the Americans to fight the Al Qa`eda knockoffs there. On the contrary, the Iraqis have been fighting the foreign “jihadis” and the so-called Al Qa`eda in Iraq people to a greater or lesser degree from the beginning. This was anything but an American initiative. The Americans merely finally got a clue, and opportunistically latched onto something that has been going on there and in other parts of Iraq for years. How typical that Petraeus et al. have given themselves credit for what Iraqis have been doing all along.

  • Shirin

    Bill, while there are some problems with the UN in Iraq – Iraqis will never forget or forgive the nearly 13 years of genocidal sanctions (genocidal is not my word, it is the word used by two former UN humanitarian coordinators in Iraq who resigned in disgust, and the Iraq director of WHO) – the UN has a far better chance of achieving something positive there than the U.S., which has a zero chance of doing anything that is not ultimately harmful.

  • bob h

    The coordinates of the Green Zone, Camp Victory, etc. have undoubtedly been entered into the Iranian Scud guidance system. That would instill rationality in anyone who actually cared about our troops.

  • Brenda Stewart

    Thank you Mr. Johnson for your effort in addressing congress as you have. I seriously doubt that they will mind your or heed your warnings as to the ultimate outcome. Surely you have to understand that they are good at leading one on to the feeling that they have heard you and are listening to you when all the time are still under the mystic guidance of the IAPAC. This is where they get their spending monies, after all.

    I have to agree with all the rest of the commentators here and their feelings. See there, you do have a good site for ppl to make known their feelings. It is truly a shame that congress in both houses do not read here. They might get a few ideas of their own by reading here. hugs to you and all that are here for the truth.

  • mudkitty

    The question is, Mr. Johnson, whether or not you think the Bush/Cheney administration is, or is not, going to attack Iran.

  • Danube of Thought

    Goodness gracious–we certainly can’t do anything that would put our troops at risk, now can we? We understand that the only real way to support the troops is to make sure they never have to fight. And we can best protect our sailors by keeping all our ships in port at all times. We love the troops, see!

  • HT

    Mr. Johnson, I hope that you have made a difference, however with the state of the media and the administration war machine, I’m doubtful. All of the commentors have made excellent points, and as usual, I learn something every day when I sign on to this site. Normally I lurk, but I want to assure Shirrin that I really appreciate her input to these discussions, giving a voice to the other side of the coin – for Arabs, Persians and all the other civilizations / tribes that make up the middle eastern landscape. Well done, Shirrin.
    Perhaps I’m naive – I live in a multicultural area in North America. My neighbors are from a myriad of countries – Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Scotland, England, India, Pakistan, Africa – you name it – we have it. Strangely, we all get along. Our values may be different, our religions or lack of may be different, but we get along – mainly because we talk to one another. We look out for each others’ children, help out with mowing the lawn, look after the place while folks go on vacation yadda yadda. Yes, there are problems particularly with misconceptions that breed bigotry, however as time goes on and people get to know one another, those problems subside. It’s possible that people can live together in peace – we do it here. Why can’t the rest of the world?

  • Danube of Thought

    Howdy, folks. Ol’ Danube of Thought here. (Please–just call me “Dan,” OK?)
    Afraid this will have to be my swan song. I’ve found the quality of discussion here to be far too juvenle, if not downright infantile. Besides, I am simply too depressed by the growing prospect of an ultimate U.S. success in Iraq to participate here any further.

    You know what is the most infuriating thing about the shift in momentum in Iraq? It’s thinking about that damned Zogby, and how he must be laughing at us all. I can just see him, strutting about like some faggot drum-major, head thrown back and cackling lewdly at our frustration. (I had to put in the faggot drum-major reference to get Larry’s repressed homosexual juices going.)

    See ya.

  • ybnormal

    FYI to everyone else still here. “Dan” clearly shows in previous writing to be incapable of telling the difference between using a conclusion to justify an argument leading to it; and actual logic leading to a conclusion by reason. So as Dan leaves, just wave.

  • Sandy

    Good riddance!

  • ybnormal

    Larry, thank you for encouragement.

    When do you guess this glimmer of hope would be more likely to translate into action (if any) by Congress; before or after the Nov ’08 election?

    Was anything said during briefings about addressing Bush/Cheney WH stubborness?

  • lidia

    What about the USA troops never have to wage agressive unprovoked wars? It could as well save USA from commiting war crimes, because, by the definiton of a USA judge in Nuremberg, such war is a sourse of all other war crimes?

  • ybnormal

    Larry, thank you also for pro-actively stepping up to the plate.

  • Danube of Thought

    I love the one from the dope who’s concerned about the Green Zone coordinates being plugged into the Iranian Scud systems.

    The Germans had the coordinates of every landing zone at Normandy inputted to everything from small arms to light machine guns to heavy artillery. If Ike had really cared about the troops, he would have called off D-Day.

    The Nips had hundreds of Kamikaze pilots ready to launch suicide flights against the U.S. fleet. If Nimitz had really cared about the troops, he would have called off the invasionof Okinawa.

    Good God–is someone paying you people to be stupid?

    Zogby rules…

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    To Comrade Danube, who repeatedly insists he’s leaving soon and then doesn’t, here’s a helpful recipe that will provide you with a quick boost of energy to aid you on your way.

    How to Make a Peanut Butter & Jelly Sandwich:

    • Using a knife, spread a generous layer of peanut butter on one slice of bread [of your choice]
    • Clean your knife with a paper towel or soap and water, so that the peanut butter and jelly won’t mix in the containers
    • Spread jelly or jam on the other slice of bread. Use slightly less jelly than peanut butter.
    • Put the two slices of bread together facing each other. Cut the sandwich in half either diagonally or horizontally, so that it’s easier to eat.

    You may want to vary your choice of jams, jellies and breads. Or even try sliced banana, honey, raisins, dried or fresh apple slices, unsweetened flaked coconut, bacon or any combination of the above as an alternative to jelly or in addition to jelly.

  • HT

    Leslie, thank you for the recipe. I hope Dan will benefit from your altruistic effort and take a hint.
    Strange how Dan refers to Germans as “Germans”, but the Japanese are reduced to “Nips”. Says a lot about Dan, doesn’t it. Sad, how very sad. Words do have power until they are over used without contemplation, without thought, without consideration. Then they become a sad commentary about the person who continues to use them.

  • graywolf

    Larue

    Insanely stupid ?..or
    Stupidly insane?

  • Danube of Thought

    Harry Reid may believe that we’ve lost the Iraq war, but the people we’re fighting don’t seem to have noticed. NEFA has a translation of an public communique by the Iraqi Jihad Union, a Sunni insurgent group that as recently as a couple of months ago was allied with al Qaeda in Iraq in Diyala province. But no longer. As it has throughout Iraq, al Qaeda has alienated this erstwhile ally through its indiscriminate violence. The communique says:

    Several individuals from the ISI [al Qaeda's "Islamic State of Iraq"] are responsible for killing commanders and fighters from our brigades in the Diyala province….They have killed them and mutilated their bodies. To make things worse, they dug up their bodies from the graves, further mutilated them, beheaded them, and showed them off from their vehicles while driving through the towns. [The ISI] even killed our men’s wives and children.
    It is getting harder and harder for al Qaeda to obscure the fact that its ranks consist largely of homicidal psychopaths This tends to dampen popular support.

    It’s also noteworthy that the Iraqi Jihad Union remains committed to insurgency and jihad, but its leaders don’t think their struggle is going well. Their communique says:

    Despite the current harsh realities of the jihad in Iraq–where the hypocrites and traitors to our path have joined in the Crusader offensive–there are nonetheless still people out there who continue operating in the battlefield while, knowingly or unknowingly, ignoring this crisis.
    And again:

    What is happening out in the field is indeed a disaster….
    So the jihadists are facing “harsh realities” including the defection of large numbers of their countrymen who are joining in the current “offensive,” with the result that the insurgency is in a state of “crisis” and “disaster.” Quick, someone tell the Democrats.

    (See ya later, stupes.)

  • PrchrLady

    Larry, thank you once again for stepping forward in doing everything you can personally to promote peace. Over time, I have come to believe that you are one of the true patriots of our time. This is an exceedingly difficult time for our Nation, and indeed, the rest of the world. There are many days when I wonder if any of us will even survive this debacle that has been called the gwot… Your advice, given to these people in Congress should be listened to carefully, and acted upon quickly. I pray that the hope you saw will bear fruit. Thanks for all that you do, and thanks for this forum here at No Quarter. I would be lost some days with out you all…

  • ybnormal

    Long goodbyes are such a bummer.

    Do I smell something burning?
    No wait, it’s Dan having a meltdown!

  • EurekaSprings,AR

    I cannot thank you enough for doing what you do and sharing it all with us Larry.

    Along with everyone I join with a giant/micro sigh of relief with sane news potentially re Iran, but only for a moment.

    And I must say it still saddens me to think congress critters will not let go of Iraq, especially Iraqi oil control.

    Dennis Kucinich just sounds better and better each day to me with his proposal of US exit and bringing in the international (peacekeeping) community etc. That would actually have a chance of being helpful. As others mentioned we are the problem and should never be trusted or relied upon to lead through solutions in this situation without wreaking much more conflict than could occur otherwise, imvho.

    After all, the long term defense expenditures (now at 3/4 trillion per yr.) will be congressionally justified by our continued involvement.. training, policing, maintaining and manning bases could instead go an awful long way towards our real short and long term energy/security/reducing deficit needs.

  • Shirin

    PS I neglected to mention that it was actually the Iraqis who approached the Americans asking for assistance in fighting the Al Qa`eda knockoffs, so it was not only not an American initiative, it was an Iraqi initiative all the way.

    Of course, Petraeus et al. would never let reality stand in the way of their self aggrandizement.

  • GR3

    I recall Nixon’s directives to US troops were closely watched in the months leading to his impeachment. While at present the so-called opposition is too cowardly to start impeachment, the same dynamics prevail. The end of neocon rule is closely approaching. If a false flag attack takes place vis-a-vis Iran, Cheney may get his way for awhile. With or without further complications such as an effective retaliation by Iran or a martial law declaration here, it is reassuring to see Congressional concern for consequences.
    Our next president has to engage with all the interested regional powers, with Congress, and hopefully with the American people themselves to work out solutions to our common problems. Using fear and violence belongs to the past.

  • G Hazeltine

    Regarding Iran’s capabilities, see this

    http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,95496,00.html

    Joe Galloway, Gen. Paul van Ripper, military.com.

    Close the Straits of Hormuz? Maybe with the hulks of the American fleet.

    Why is this not discussed? What are we doing?

  • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

    Dang it leslie.. now i’m hungery..
    I’m thinking Arby’s

    See ya Dan!!!

  • Shirin

    I agree with you completely, Larue. The United States has no rational, legal, or moral right to try to threaten any sovereign state into complying with “our interests”. It is not the United States’ oil, and the only right the United States has in regard to it is to act like every other country and purchase it at the asking price, or at most to try to negotiate a better price.

    By the same token it is not up to the United States to determine how Iraq’s or any other state’s government should be structured. In fact, one of the worst and most dangerously damaging “mistakes” the United States has made was to impose on Iraq a political system based on sectarian and ethnic identity. Of course, this was based largely on the ignorant assumption that Iraqi consists of Shi’ites, Sunnis, and Kurds who have historically detested each other and didn’t want to be together – a historically incorrect, if very popular, assumption.

  • Thinker

    Larry, thanks for your post. Don’t think I am duplicating, but only have time to read a few responses.

    Firstly, let me say, I suspect I have a fair idea what you can’t mention, but I don’t know as you haven’t mentioned it. Other than not a lot of new strategies being apparent to the naked eye, I am concerned by this:

    The United States will take appropriate steps to punish any groups or states who back terrorist attacks against our interests

    So what happens to the States who back terrorists who work for our interests?

    Are they given the the highest commendation, rewards for gallantry? There’s something wrong here and I think you know what it is. This is the problem as it has been and needs to be stopped for the healing process to begin. NO TERRORISTS FOR OR AGAINST.

    Then I read further and at least the message on AlQaeda is coming clean “Al Qaeda has become a convenient shorthand to describe Islamic extremists of all types”, except in my opinion that’s what AlQaeda always was. I am not, nor ever have, suggesting that there are not some extremely dangerous and destructive organisations, who are against the United States. It also should be said that I am of the opinion that it is not beyond the realms of imagination that elements might impose a “means justifies the end” strategy (as we say in the Bali bombings – where 100+ locals were murdered, including [by all accounts] devout muslims).

    But I am sure the root of the problem is terrorism and that includes American sponsored campaigns.

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