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Nuke transportation story has explosive implications

BY ROBERT STORMER (who posts here as “Rob”)

Published in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Sunday, October 7, 2007

Nuke transportation story has explosive implications
By ROBERT STORMER
Special to the Star-Telegram

Last month, six W80-1 nuclear-armed AGM-129 advanced cruise missiles were flown from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana and sat on the tarmac for 10 hours undetected.

Press reports initially cited the Air Force mistake of flying nuclear weapons over the United States in violation of Air Force standing orders and international treaties, while completely missing the more important major issues, such as how six nuclear cruise missiles got loose to begin with.

Opinion columns and editorials appeared in America’s newspapers, some blasting the Air Force for flying nukes over the U.S. and some defending the Air Force procedure. None of the news reports focused on the real questions of our nuclear security.

Let me be very clear here: We are not talking about paintball cartridges or pellet gun ammo. We are talking nuclear weapons.

There is a strict chain of custody for all such weapons. Nuclear weapons handling is spelled out in great detail in Air Force regulations, to the credit of that service. Every person who orders the movement of these weapons, handles them, breaks seals or moves any nuclear weapon must sign off for tracking purposes.

Two armed munitions specialists are required to work as a team with all nuclear weapons. All individuals working with nuclear weapons must meet very strict security standards and be tested for loyalty — this is known as a “Personnel Reliability Program.” They work in restricted areas within eyeshot of one another and are reviewed constantly.

All security forces assigned are authorized to use deadly force to protect the weapons from any threat. Nor does anyone quickly move a 1-ton cruise missile — or forget about six of them, as reported by some news outlets, especially cruise missiles loaded with high explosives.

The United States also does not transport nuclear weapons meant for elimination attached to their launch vehicles under the wings of a combat aircraft. The procedure is to separate the warhead from the missile, encase the warhead and transport it by military cargo aircraft to a repository — not an operational bomber base that just happens to be the staging area for Middle Eastern operations.

Yes, we still do fly nuclear warheads over the United States today. We also drive them over land as well. That’s not the point.

This is about how six nuclear advanced cruise missiles got out of their bunkers and onto a combat aircraft without notice of the wing commander, squadron commander, munitions maintenance squadron (MMS), the B-52H’s crew chief and command pilot and onto another Air Force base tarmac without notice of that air base’s chain of command — for 10 hours.

It is time that we got to the bottom of it through a comprehensive investigation.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked Larry Welch, a former Air Force chief of staff, to lead an independent inquiry into the implications of the incident. That is in addition to the existing Air Force investigation headed by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of air and space operations at Air Combat Command, which is responsible for all Air Force bombers and fighters.

The questions that must be answered:

1 Why, and for what ostensible purpose, were these nuclear weapons taken to Barksdale?

2 How long was it before the error was discovered?

3 How many mistakes and errors were made, and how many needed to be made, for this to happen?

4 How many and which security protocols were overlooked?

5 How many and which safety procedures were bypassed or ignored?

6 How many other nuclear command and control non-observations of procedure have there been?

7 What is Congress going to do to better oversee U.S. nuclear command and control?

8 How does this incident relate to concern for reliability of control over nuclear weapons and nuclear materials in Russia, Pakistan and elsewhere?

9 Does the Bush administration, as some news reports suggest, have plans to attack Iran with nuclear weapons?

10 If this was an accident, have we degraded our military to a point where we are now making critical mistakes with our nuclear arsenal? If so, how do we correct this?

Yes, heads must roll and careers will end. But let’s make sure that this includes the ranks from general officers to noncommissioned ones.

Or is this to be the Air Force version of the Abu Ghraib investigation?

Robert Stormer of Chicago is a retired lieutenant commander in the Navy Reserve, serving with the Navy’s Supervisor of Salvage, and was a specialist in weapons retrieval. He is a marine engineer and marine salvage specialist.

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Special thanks to Rob for allowing No Quarter to reprint his timely op-ed which, as this is posted, is traveling along the wires and may be reprinted in more newspapers! – Susan

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  • serena1313

    Fred Thanks.

    I’ve read WMR at times, but I cannot verify the veracity of his reports either. However a lot of the same information has been published elsewhere in various media sources.

    WMR seems to be pretty much on the up-and-up. I do not recall reading any news sources that refuted the information in his stories. On the otherhand, if I remember correctly, not all of the information he supplies can be readily verified either.

    Insofar as the Minot A/F Base deaths: only 2 of the six died prior to 30 August 2007, both on the 20 July 2007. And Barksdale A/F Base, I believe Larry mentioned, is the jumping off base for planes headed for the Middle-East.

    Announcenments of their deaths:
    http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465
    http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012
    http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp
    http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988
    http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt
    http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I think Bush’s father has more common sense in his little finger than his son:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “By Michael E. Salla, M.A., Ph.D.

    “The discovery of the nuclear armed B-52 was, according to Hans Kristensen, a nuclear weapons expert at the Federation of American Scientists, the first time in 40 years that a nuclear armed plane had been allowed to fly in the U.S. LINK. Since 1968, after a SAC bomber crashed in Greenland, all nuclear armed aircraft have been grounded but were kept on a constant state of alert. After the end of the Cold War, President George H.W. Bush ordered in 1991 that nuclear weapons were to be removed from all aircraft and stored in nearby facilities. …”
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18374.htm
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “09/13/07 “The Canadian” — – Critically exploring whether or not there was a covert attempt to instigate a catastrophic nuclear war against Iran is illuminated through an introduction using the recent B-52 Incident. On August 30, a B-52 bomber armed with five nuclear-tipped Advanced Cruise missiles travelled from Minot Air Force base, North Dakota, to Barksdale Air Force base, Louisiana, in the United States. Each missile had an adjustable yield between five and 150 kilotons of TNT which is at the lower end of the destructive capacities of U.S. nuclear weapons. For example, the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima had a yield of 13 kilotons, while the Bravo Hydrogen bomb test of 1954 had a yield of 15,000 kilotons. The B-52 story was first covered in the Army Times on 5 September after the nuclear armed aircraft was discovered by Airmen.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    YOU TUBE:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i06cWfmnrw
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Anyhow this story has gotten, at best, little attention in the US press.

    I find it alarming Bush was that close to dropping nuclear weapons on Iran. Did anyone in Congress know?

    I wonder … had Bush & Cheney not been stopped if Congress would have started impeachment hearings? What is it going to take!

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    “The B-52H bomber can carry up to six AGM-129A missiles on each of two external pylons for a total of 12 per aircraft. The AGM-129A provides the bomber the ability to attack multiple targets without penetrating an air defense system.”

    See the pic of just exactly this at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_ACM

    also:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2006_0306_b52_2lg.jpg

    From Wikipedia: “AGM-86B missiles can be air-launched in large numbers by the bomber force. B-52H bombers carry six AGM-86B or AGM-86C missiles on each of two externally mounted pylons and eight internally on a rotary launcher, giving the B-52H a maximum capacity of 20 missiles per aircraft.”

    The missiles in question Minot-Barksdale were ACM-129A’s, per numerous reports.

    Not the same missile.

  • DAN

    I am sorry folks but CyberCOM went active about the time of this story. All of the stories on this subject have false statements – The Advanced Missiles can not be flown on wing mounts they use a rotary internal system. So the story is a fictional Psyops test.
    For Cyber Command.

    Totally reminds me of a false flag operational test – Able Danger…

    Dan

  • Sandy

    Thank you, Mr. Dobbs. I, for one, appreciate these references and your research.

    And, I should also have said thank you to Rob. I’m glad you are keeping this issue out before the public. We need more people getting interested enough to start asking some questions about this. Something’s amiss, and it’s too important to just let it disappear under the radar. Thank you, Rob!

  • Fred C. Dobbs
  • Fred C. Dobbs

    This from Comments on THE RAW STORY, citing Wayne Madsen. My apologies in advance for the length of this citation. Additionally, I have no information, data or opinion regarding Madsen’s methods, veracity, sources or intent.

    I have eliminated some of the original article because of space considerations.

    Masden Reports:

    “B-52 Nukes Headed for Iran, Not For Decommissioning: Airforce Refused

    – SPECIAL REPORT –
    Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater
    By Wayne Madsen
    Sept. 24, 2007
    Author’s website:
    http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

    WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

    However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community.

    Yesterday, the Washington Post attempted to explain away the fact that America’s nuclear command and control system broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of “security failures at multiple levels.” It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control chain-of-command “failures” but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional
    weapons.

    The Washington Post story on BENT SPEAR may have actually been an effort in damage control by the Bush administration. WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE.

    Just as this report was being prepared, Newsweek reported that Vice President Dick Cheney’s recently-departed Middle East adviser, David Wurmser, told a small group of advisers some months ago that Cheney had considered asking Israel to launch a missile attack on the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian retaliatory strike, the United States would have ample reasons to launch its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for Israel to attack Iran directly were altered to an Israeli attack on a supposed Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear installation in northern Syria.

    WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel’s September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel’s attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush’s three remaining “Axis of Evil” states — Syria, Iran, and North Korea — to justify a sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on Iran.

    WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the Atlantic that there was a definite connection between Israel’s OPERATION ORCHARD and BENT SPEAR involving the B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There is also a connection between these two events as the Pentagon’s highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compartmented U.S. Air Force program that has been working on an attack plan for Iran since June 2007, around the same time that Cheney was working on the joint Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran.

    PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the /Times of London/, is a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who, astoundingly, is now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran that involves a “decapitating” blow on Iran by hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on the B-52/nuclear weapons incident.

    Kass’ area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring “information blockades,” such as that imposed by the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian “nuclear installation.” British intelligence sources have reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a “true flag” attack originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other.

    The other part of CHECKMATE’s brief is to ensure that a media “perception management” is waged against Syria, Iran, and North Korea. This involves articles such as that which appeared with Joby Warrick’s and Walter Pincus’ bylines in yesterdays /Washington Post/. The article, titled “The Saga of a Bent Spear,” quotes a number of seasoned Air Force nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is unprecedented in the history of the Air Force. For example, Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the “nuclear business” since 1966 and has never been aware of an incident “more disturbing.”

    Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear weapons are unprecedented, except for that fact that the U.S. military is now waging an internal war against neo-cons who are embedded in the U.S. government and military chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive war with Iran.

    CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a probability. Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.

    Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear incident from the media, anonymous Air Force personnel leaked the story to /Military Times/ on September 5, the day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear installation in Syria and the day planned for the simultaneous U.S. attack on Iran. The leaking of classified information on U.S. nuclear weapons disposition or movement to the media, is, itself, unprecedented. Air Force regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE reports to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure of classified Air Force information to the media.

    In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked an outside inquiry board to look into BENT SPEAR, even before the Air Force has completed its own investigation, a virtual vote of no confidence in the official investigation being conducted by Major General Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the Air Combat Command.

    Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired General Larry Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task force that will also look into the BENT SPEAR incident. The official Air Force investigation has reportedly been delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-funded research contractor that operates three research centers, including one for Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President and another for the National Security Agency. One of the board members of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital Group and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James Woolsey.

    WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the State Department nor the British Foreign Office were privy to OPERATION ORCHARD, although Hadley briefed President Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that showed the Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built with North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is puzzling why Hadley would rely on Israeli imagery intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK (Horizon) 7 satellite when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have greater capabilities.

    The Air Force’s “information warfare” campaign against media reports on CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also affected international reporting of the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA controls, similar to those that the United States wants imposed on Iran and North Korea. The resolution also called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle East. The IAEA’s resolution, titled “Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East,” was passed by the 144-member IAEA General Meeting on September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2, with 47 abstentions. The only two countries to vote against were Israel and the United States.”

  • ybnormal

    The questions that must be answered:

    The question that handling crews must learn to answer:
    Is it a duck?
    a) Does it look like a duck? i.e. armed and unarmed missiles can look similar from a distance
    b) Does it walk like a duck? i.e. armed and unarmed missiles transport in a like way mounted to B52 bomber wings
    c) Does it quack like a duck? i.e. unarmed missiles don’t quack at all, while armed missiles, depending on circumstances, can either crack in a plane crash causing nuclear pollution; or in a worst case scenario, be stolen and quack with the force of 5000-150000 tons of TNT.

    Next question, how to verify if handling crews are proving it either is, or is not a duck.

    One way might be to run un-announced surprise simulations of mis-handling, and then determine if safeguards can catch the mistake.

  • mudkitty

    Why is this issue getting so little play in the MSM?

  • Maalox

    2 cents on the 6 deaths surrounding the Minot/Barksdale incident… Those deaths that occurred prior to the August 29th departure may very well be relevant.

    I reject out of hand the official story, however the most plausible theory I’ve read up to this point, in lieu of facts from the USAF, says that these warheads were ordered to Barksdale by an irregular command chain either as a saber rattling exercise to be leaked or as a way to get warhead(s) in theater for use on Iran. That remains as the big unanswered question for me along with who sits at the top of that line.

    All the nukes in the other hemisphere are controlled by the Navy under Adm. Fallon who is not exactly cheerleading the expansion of war into Iran for what it’s worth.

    As for why the traffic accidents that occurred earlier in the summer are relevant, they may have been regarded as impediments to the execution of the plan. Were they not willing dupes or not messianic enough to risk participation?

    I believe we will never get satisfactory answers on this based on the past performance of this administration so conjecture is the only responsible thing left to do. Cheney won’t even share his visitor logs with his own internal auditors for crying out loud. How many shredder trucks show up at Cheney’s office each year?

    • Blunt Force Trauma

      2 cents on the 6 deaths surrounding the Minot/Barksdale incident… Those deaths that occurred prior to the August 29th departure may very well be relevant.”

      Prior to the nukes being flown? How could they load them if they were already dead? Anyway. The only way I’d believe that anything strange was afoot if far more people were “mysteriously” killed in conjunction with the flying of the nukes, otherwise it’s conjecture.

      The “victims” include Airman First Class Todd Blue, 20, who died while on leave in Virginia. A statement by the military confirmed his death but did not say how he died.

      This story about Todd’s death was on September 12, 2007 and he was stationed at Minot. Mysterious death(?).

      In another accident, a married couple from Barksdale Air Force Base were killed in the 5100 block of Shreveport-Blanchard Highway. The two were riding a 2007 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, with the husband driving and the wife the passenger, police said. “They were traveling behind a northbound Pontiac Aztec driven by Erica Jerry, 35, of Shreveport,” the county sheriff said. “Jerry initiated a left turn into a business parking lot at the same time the man driving the motorcycle attempted to pass her van on the left in a no passing zone. They collided.”

      The story above was dated September 17, 2007 and it states what the deaths were a result of.

      Adam Barrs, a 20-year-old airman from Minot Air Force Base was killed in a crash on the outskirts of the city.”

      This incident occured July 5, 2007. The nukes were flown on Aungust 30th!

      First Lt. Weston Kissel, 28, a Minot Air Force Base bomber pilot, was killed in a motorcycle crash in Tennessee, the military officials say.”

      This story was published on July 20, 2007. Again, the nukes were flown on August 30th!

      Police found the body of a missing Air Force captain John Frueh near Badger Peak in northeast Skamania County, Washington.”

      The story dealing with this man never states where he was stationed and the story was published on Septemeber 10th, 2007

  • Kinda Wonder

    I am impressed by the OP-ED piece and would like to kick this upstairs, but after making a few phone calls, I can’t find anyone who remembers a “Robert Stormer.” Rob, call you give us a little more detail on the dates and places and such of your military service for me to put in the cover sheet?

    I’d really appreciate it. Thanks.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      Here is Rob’s blog URL:

      http://robinstorm.blogspot.com/

      Pretty informative for those of us who have labored on salt water. If I was still doing that work, AND had a fast connection via INMARSAT, I’d have his stuff on the Master’s screen before breakfast.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    No one asked me, so I will be the Devil’s Advocate here.

    Most disasters are the result of cascading failures. One contributor is often indifference. Coupla weapons weenies load the wrong cluster onto the pylon without checking the markings. A/C commander gives the Walk-Around a lick and a promise. And on it goes.

    As in, who would EXPECT nukes to be loaded onto the airframe?

    Back in the bad old days when you could get bounced out of SAC for using Dristan without a prescription, I’d wager that it was tough to get an extra screwdriver onto a BUFF.

    You remember those times, don’t you? When most of the USAF mission was to lay waste to the USSR on 15 minute’s notice?

    Do you think that it’s possible that USAF was a little, “tighter ship,” then than now?

    I love a good Conspiracy as well as the next fellow (let me tell you how Richard Bruno Hauptmann couldn’t possibly have killed the Lindbergh Baby), but think about this:

    There are plenty of nukes already a lot closer to the Gulf than Minot or Barksdale. We got some. Israel’s got some. A twenty dollar gold piece says there at least two nuke cruise missiles on each attack sub east of Suez and south of Hormuz, if not actually in the Gulf. And, you REALLY don’t want to know what’s on Diego Garcia.

    It used to be that each attack carrier maintained two Alert birds all nuked-up and ready for the Joust of the Kamikazes.

    Humping five ALCM’s 8,000 miles just looks to me like carrying coals to Newcastle.

    But, I SO want to be wrong…

  • GR3

    Isn’t it unusual for someone in Gates’ position to publicize loose nukes? Perhaps the trail of evidence led nowhere and he wanted to shake things up.
    I am too skeptical to think seriously of vast conspiracies, but a wicked little conspiracy might do!
    It’s simply hard to accept that the Air Force screwed up without really good cause.

    • Cee

      Is Gates playing good cop to bad cop Cheney?

  • Sandy

    Gee, after all these years with the Bush-Cheney bunch, I wonder why on earth anyone could possibly believe in any conspiracy theory about them. Fine, self-sacrificing Christian men who fight hard for freedom and democracy around the world and what do they get for it? Suspicion and criticism. SO unfair!

    Consider all they have done…and then comprehend what you DON’T know that they HAVE done. I’m fairly sure it would boggle your mind.

    They have demonstrated — countless times and ways — that they are capable of anything. If you don’t believe people who know too much and may be whistleblowers and blow their cover could be conveniently offed….then you are the naive one.

    Yes, it is best not to overreact. And, it certainly isn’t good to make anything up. It’s also a good idea not to be delusional.

  • http://alovelypromise.blogspot.com Nell

    It’s as if the Walter Pincus article, which answers questions 1-3 at a minimum, never happened.

  • Ardie

    I don’t think there was any mistake. This was combat refusal. The Air Force refused to fly the nukes to Israel.

  • oohwe

    Hi Rob,Thanks for the site & the eye opener. The heat is on & I,m sure you are up to the challenge.oohwe

  • http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

    Blunt Force Trauma…

    I do get a kick out of your moniker. Your such a legend in your own mind.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I do appreciate all the all the effort. And I know it take a great deal of effort to charge those neurons of yours, especially the ones that are mis-firing….

    Like I said they should legalize euthanasia……

    Have a Good Night

    • Blunt Force Trauma

      “I do get a kick out of your moniker. Your such a legend in your own mind.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I do appreciate all the all the effort. And I know it take a great deal of effort to charge those neurons of yours, especially the ones that are mis-firing….”

      From reading the above that contains improper contractions and terrible sentence structure, I guess you DO know what it takes to get your impulse-conducting cells that constitute the brain, spinal column, and nerves, consisting of a nucleated cell body with one or more dendrites and a single axon. In other words, your Neurons.

      Also, I have to ask from reading the above drivel; you didn’t write that op-ed, did you? You may have had the idea, but you didn’t write it.

  • http://robinstorm.blogspot.com Rob

    First i want to thank Susan H and Larry Johnson for re-posting the article, it was an honor. Secondly, while many of the comments on this blog are interesting and I thank you for them. I have to tell you that I am not into conspiracy theories though I am not stupid either, I like just the facts. This incident is very gave and serious and everyone needs to take it that way. I do find it extremely hard to believe that the entire chain of command failed, but saying that at our current state of military readiness i can take a very hard swallow.

    More importantly it is a must that Congress hold hearings both in public and in executive session to get to the bottom of this story now. It is also important that the USAF start the investigation and SECDEF start the independent investigation.

    The American public needs answers. So for those like Blunt Force Trauma who feel this is recycle I recommend you get off your cantankerous old computers and call your Congressman and Senators and help get the answers… Or are you going to be a Dull Wit Headache? Shessh…. they should legalize euthanasia…

    Robert Stromer

    • Blunt Force Trauma

      Yes, Robin. We need answers. Where aren’t you getting them? But, instead you re-hashed a story that has been done by many before you, and a month ago to boot, and sounding all sanctimonius about it too. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and write your own letters to your Congressman and Senator before decided to release a vitriolic diatribe about your need for killing people (ie, euthanasia). This is not the first time I’ve cited you for the need to murder people in vengeful manner.

      Also, if you or that Forth Worth rag which published your story were serious about the truth, those questions at the end of the article would not have been left to the reader to search out. They would have been answered by both yourself and that newspaper. It’s called fact-checking. If you wanted to play journalist, you should have posed those questions to those responsible since you, ‘like the facts’ and would not have left it to the reader to have dug them up on their own.

      Who, What, Where, When, Why and How. The basics in journalism. You failed on 2 of them and that’s an incomplete.

      If you desire to truly provide us a service, perhaps you can, as suggested; ask all of your questions that were at the end of your “article” to someone who can answer them. Once you have the answers to them all, then that is the time to compile that information in a comprehensive article that is informative, thought-provoking and concise. Otherwise, one is left to wonder where the objectivity, the process of the dissemination of information and the creativity is.

      Yours reads like a community newspaper back page puppy trainer.

      • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

        You’re out of line, buddy. Take a chill pill.

        Rob’s summary and key questions on the incident were so good that a major U.S. newspaper featured his op-ed in its SUNDAY edition, and has forwarded it around the wires. That paper’s editors probably fill their wastebaskets daily with all the op-ed proposals/drafts they receive, but they chose to print Rob’s. Most of us will never be so honored.

        • Blunt Force Trauma

          Rob’s summary and key questions on the incident were so good that a major U.S. newspaper featured his op-ed in its SUNDAY edition, and has forwarded it around the wires.”

          The article was so good; Googling the title/headline, using the exact phrase netted me 12 hits

          As fas as a ‘major U.S. newspaper’ is concerned, let’s break that down, shall we?

          Chicago Tribune SUNDAY circulation 940,620
          New York Times SUNDAY circulation 1,627,062
          Los Angeles Times SUNDAY circulation 1,173,096
          Boston Globe SUNDAY circulation 562,273
          The Washington Post SUNDAY circulation 929,921
          Miami Herald SUNDAY circulation 342,432
          Dallas Morning News SUNDAY circulation 563,079
          Forth Worth Star-Telegram SUNDAY circulation 304,200

          The numbers don’t lie and they refute the term ‘major’ as far as the Star-Telegram is concerned.

          That paper’s editors probably fill their wastebaskets daily with all the op-ed proposals/drafts they receive, but they chose to print Rob’s.”

          I’m quite certain editors do discard quite a number of op-eds. Yes, the editor at the Star-Telegram did choose to print Rob’s story. With low circulation numbers like that, one would need to fill space with something since the attraction of advertisers to fill those pages is a forgone thought with, again, such low circulation numbers.

          Most of us will never be so honored.”

          He’s a legend in your own mind. A Seymour Hersh or a Noam Chomsky, he never will be.

          The basis for my disdain of this op-ed is that is was originally covered one month ago by The Military Times (a publication that broke the story), Larry Johnson (who I think is an honor to read) and dozens of others who offered, at that time, mindful insight into this story/situation. In other words, they ‘dug’ around a bit. It’s a frightful and disturbing story, to be sure. But, Robin or Robert has convinced someone to publish a re-hashed and re-worked story that offers no new information, brings no new revelations to the table and still leaves many questions unanswered. This op-ed, therefore, has no basis or merit in this instance as it points out the obvious, that of which, we already know and have known for a month.

          If it were to be conclusive, as a proper news story would have been, the key questions raised by Robert/Robin would have been answered and presented to us as new information. Otherwise, it is recycled news or cut-and-paste of previous op-eds.

          I, for one, would not have published it citing all that I have. It requires stark criticism in light of it’s inconclusiveness.

          You’d rather we all just read it, accept it and not question it. That’s not how it works, Susan. Especially with this unnerving subject matter.

          The only thing that I do appreciate about the op-ed is that it keeps alive, that very subject matter.

          Now, let’s get some answers.

    • ybnormal

      I do find it extremely hard to believe that the entire chain of command failed, but saying that at our current state of military readiness i can take a very hard swallow.

      A paraphrase that would work here, is that a chain [of command] is only as good as the weakest link, which in case appears to be at the top.

      By this I’m not stating or implying that POTUS took any active part in this incident. I would say though, that the leader at the top is responsible for establishing the pattern of how the entire chain works by example.

      In the case of POTUS Bush, the example is one of delegating exessively, because of lack of interest in anything to do with why and how things work, as long as he can continue to claim he’s un-wrong.

      Credit is due to those under him who continue to operate with integrity in spite of the bad example.

  • PrchrLady

    Thank you, yb for debunking the article. I do feel somewhat better, but not much. As the original post says, the implications of this whole affair are explosive. Why would a paper print this story, without verification. Also, where did you get your info on the victims, if I may ask??? Yes, I know, some times I can be so naive…

    • Blunt Force Trauma

      YB is correct and it’s not hard to get this info. One just has to Google ‘Minot’ or ‘Barksdale’ deaths. You may come up with:

      The activist group Citizens for Legitimate Government said the six members of the US Air Force who were directly involved as loaders or as pilots, were killed within 7 days in ‘accidents’.

      The victims include Airman First Class Todd Blue, 20, who died while on leave in Virginia. A statement by the military confirmed his death but did not say how he died.

      This story about Todd’s death was on September 12, 2007 and he was stationed at Minot. Mysterious death(?).

      In another accident, a married couple from Barksdale Air Force Base were killed in the 5100 block of Shreveport-Blanchard Highway. The two were riding a 2007 Harley-Davidson motorcycle, with the husband driving and the wife the passenger, police said. “They were traveling behind a northbound Pontiac Aztec driven by Erica Jerry, 35, of Shreveport,” the county sheriff said. “Jerry initiated a left turn into a business parking lot at the same time the man driving the motorcycle attempted to pass her van on the left in a no passing zone. They collided.”

      This story was dated September 17, 2007 and it states what the deaths were a result of.

      Adam Barrs, a 20-year-old airman from Minot Air Force Base was killed in a crash on the outskirts of the city.

      This incident occured July 5, 2007. The nukes were flown on Aungust 30th!

      First Lt. Weston Kissel, 28, a Minot Air Force Base bomber pilot, was killed in a motorcycle crash in Tennessee, the military officials say.

      This story was published on July 20, 2007. Again, the nukes were flown on August 30th!

      Police found the body of a missing Air Force captain John Frueh near Badger Peak in northeast Skamania County, Washington.

      The story dealing with this man never states where he was stationed and the story was published on Septemeber 10th, 2007.

      Just Google the names of the deceased. You’ll find what I did.

  • Blunt Force Trauma

    Another huge problem with Robin Storm’s story goes like this;

    “Yes, we still do fly nuclear warheads over the United States today. We also drive them over land as well. That’s not the point.”

    Yes, it is the point when you don’t clarify that point. Nuclear weapons are normally transferred on cargo planes, never on the wings of bombers. Bomber flights with live nuclear weapons ended in the late 1960s after accidents in Spain in 1966 and in Greenland in 1968.

    Also, Robin’s story reads remarkably a lot like this one (I smell plagarism)

    http://freeworldsurvey.blogspot.com/2007/09/6-nukes-fly-over-us-big-problems-with.html

    Once again, I’m thinking…..recycling bin.

  • Blunt Force Trauma

    This story is not unique. It has been covered by Larry himeslf, Capt. Eric H. May and others and all raised the same points, questions and procedures.

    The apparent deaths of those at Minot and Barksdale have been shown to be at 2 and not 6.

    Sure, it’s good to keep ‘it alive’ as it were, but the same questions were asked and none have been answered.

    I thought recycling bins were for bottles and cans.

  • ybnormal

    RE this mysterious death syndrome:
    Everyone just hold it a second!

    The original WashPo Warrick&Pincus story dated 9/23/07 dates the nuke missile incident as beginning on 8/29/07.

    The After Downing Street story is a re-print of a PRESSTV (Iran) story which cites “Citizens For Legitimate Government” as it’s source. Somewhere between PRESSTV and Citizens For Legitimate Government, some creative writing seems to have occurred.

    A Citizens For Legitimate Government story I found (which may not be the only source) claims six people all from Minot died very recently who were “directly involved”, and gives seven news story links.

    Two stories are about the same guy, Airman Todd Blue from Minot who died on 9/10/07 while visiting family.

    Two more stories are about the same un-named couple from Barksdale AFB who died on 9/15/07 when their motorcycle crashed with a car.

    Two others from Minot AFB died before the nuke missile incident even happened, Adam Barrs on 7/3/07, and Weston Kissel on 7/17/07.

    That leaves Air Force Captain John Frueh from Florida who during the time of the nuke missile incident was visiting friends in Portland for a wedding, last spoke with family on Aug. 30, and was found dead near Badger Peak in northeast Skamania County, Wash. a few days later. No connection with either Minot or Barksdale whatsoever was stated in the news report.

    As Marvin Gaye sang, “…believe half of what you see, …and none of what you hear”. Especially when you “Heared it Through the Grapevine”!

    • Michael Gass

      Thank you… I seem to have trouble having my comments approved.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Ouch. That sort of calls into question the reliability of stories at AfterDowning, which I’d assumed was a reliable site — well, at its inception, it was headed by a sharp group of serious people. Maybe the crew has changed? Surely someone has written them about that story?

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” – Carl Sagan

  • Denny

    To my knowledge there has never been a publicly released list of the AF personnel involved in the loading and transfer of the Cruise Missiles. Given that, I fail to see how one can leap from 6 apparently unrelated traffic accident to a grand conspiracy to cover up some nefarious activity. Based on the information I’ve seen its not clear that any of the individuals killed was in any way involved with the transfer much less all six of them.

    For that matter, since a number of these traffic accidents occurred a very long way from Minot AFB, are we even sure that all 6 of these people were even on the base on the days surrounding the transfer of the Cruise Missiles?

    To wit, a quick check of the names provided in the linked article shows that Capt. John Frueh was most certainly not at Minot on Aug 30. He was in Oregon for a friends wedding – arriving in Portland on August 25 and apparently died in a solo car accident on Aug 29 or 30. From what I can tell from the articles I found he was not even stationed at Minot, but rather was stationed somewhere in Florida.

    As usual, fact-free assertions by the “conspiracies are everywhere” crowed only serve to make any genuine hunt for information related to a clandestine plot to reposition these nukes lose credibility by association with the lunatic fringe. There’s plenty wrong with the Bush/Cheney administration, you don’t have to make shit up in order to make them look bad.

    Get a grip.

    • Amanda

      Denny,
      -Finally someone said something. Those people just happened to tragically die (most before this incident even happened). I guess the next time I read the Air Force Times and see the pages of deaths for active duty airman I should just assume they were all stationed at Minot or Barksdale and that Chaney used his hidden missle to kill them all in traffic accidents. Geeze people, listen to your selves.

  • Laserbob

    I find this whole story of transporting nukes under wing to be, well, beyond words. I live on Vancouver Island, and the US Navy has a nuke torpedo firing range up here called Nanoose Bay. The Tridant sub’s from down in Washington come up here to test fire these dummy nukes every so often, more in the 80′s, 90′s then now. One of the more dreaded things to the locals here was not the firing of these weapons, but the resulting traffic problems as they would transport them via land routes back to the US. On our single lane mountainous routes, everyone dreaded getting stuck behind the convoy of no less than 10 military vehicles that would be escorting just one truck of dummy torpedo’s.. Heavily armed escorts at that.. So, to go from that type scenario to one where they would fly live nukes cross country is just unimaginable!!
    Also, I’ve worked as a contractor at all of those bases in N,S Dakota, and security there has always been on the side of extreme diligence. I was on G. Forks base when a tornado touched down nearby, and they wouldn’t allow myself or co-workers to leave, and we all spent the night in the brig (minus shoes and belts) until the storm had passed. And in the morning, while checking our truck for damage, we found that they had completely removed and inspected the contents while we slept.
    To think these same folks could “loose” 6 nukes, well, this is something else, and I think it’s very important to find out what really happened..

    lb

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      Amen. USN folks on Guam moving a few cases (less than a pickup truck load) of pistol ammo (9MM) and 5.56MM round ball from NAVSTA Guam to my merchant ship required 4 vehicles and more people than I’d care to feed at a barbecue.

      They now have a system where they fly it out by helo (offshore) and the aircrew get their required number of ship landing evolutions for the quarter because it’s actually cheaper and ties up the road less.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Fascinating stories about the security there. No shoes and belts to make it impossible for you to be mobile?

      Btw, I’ve sat in line at the Hood Canal Bridge while the bridge is opened to allow the Trident sub to pass through … that dull black paint, no insignia. Strange to watch.

  • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

    While I don’t subscribe to any of the “conspiracy theories” regarding why these missiles were moved in this manner, I have yet to see a plausible explanation. The questions posed by Robert Stormer are the ones that come to my mind, and they need to be answered fully and honestly. Until an accurate history of this event can be put together, even reasonable people will have doubts.

    The alternative is that there will be less trust of our ability to safeguard those weapons. Given what’s happened in the former USSR, North Korea, and Pakistan, there’s enough insecurity in the world on that score already.

  • http://NewChautauqua.org Joe Falejczyk

    Looks to me like a dry-run… ‘Let’s see if we can pull this off, boys. Only one step away from dropping them on I-Ran. Why, once the toothpaste is out of the tube, nobody will want to admit it wasn’t official policy’

    I would not put something like that past the Cheney cabal.

    The worst part is that I can even conceive thinking in those terms. I want my country back.

  • sheerahkahn

    I think this is a good list of questions.
    As for the “deaths”…I need a lot more info than just one group claims.

  • MEP

    I applaud Mr. Stormer for keeping this story alive. One simple question, who ordered the move? Everything else was a result of that order.

  • Sandy

    No, Long Tooth, no I don’t. I keep wondering when they’re going to shut down blogs like this….where we CAN speak the TRUTH to one another. sigh

    PreacherLady, thank you for those sites. How come more people aren’t jumping up and down and screaming about this??? I mean EVERYONE! Six of those people…DEAD! All young! So quickly! Sounds like that Karen Silkwood movie….and others like it. FOUL PLAY!!! The deaths give evidence to the fear someone has of the truth coming out.

    Unfortunately for them….it always does. THIS would — as someone above has said — be THE crime of the century. THIS cover-up. Maybe THEN they’d put the pieces together about the Valerie and Joe Story!

    Treason here. Treason there. Eventually it begins to mount up.

    I KNOW there are some Democrats (democraps) out there that know more about this. WHERE ARE THEY?? I don’t believe I’ll be able to vote in 2008….if the bombing of Iran hasn’t already started and Bush declared martial law (and called off the election).

    Too many CRIMINAL COVER-UPS! D.C.’s corruption is almost absolute by now. sigh

    • oohwe

      SANDY .. IS DEMOCRAP THE BEST U GOT??? IT,S KIND OF HARD TO RHYME WARMONGER WITH REPUBLICAN .GO BACK TO SCHOOL & GET A VOCABULARY… OOHWE

  • Long Tooth

    Just once I’d to see someone, say, like Seymour Hersh appointed to one of these self-styled, “independent study groups”.

    I don’t believe a single word that emanates from the Bush administration. Lest we forget: They Big Lied this nation into unleashing war.

    If this event proved to have been orchestrated from the White House, does anyone believe that the truth will be publicly exposed by a retired Air Force general appointed by the administration?

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      “If this event proved to have been orchestrated from the White House, does anyone believe that the truth will be publicly exposed by a retired Air Force general appointed by the administration?”

      What!?! And take a chance on Never Getting A Good Tee Time In This Town Again?
      Dream on…

  • Porgee

    Thank You for keeping interest in this incident. It is at least as important as the outing of a covert intelligence officer and probably levels higher in possible consequences. I am not amazed that this story went under the radar so quickly but I truly hope that we get an true explanation about what this was all about. It is really troubling that there may be a nuke warhead floating around somewhere in the USA. I hope you keep following up and we get to the true in this matter.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    Speaking of nuclear threats, the Nuclear “Regulatory” Commission [NRC] has a lower set of safety standards for commercial sites producing weapons-grade uranium. The standards are sub-par…this concerns tons of weapons-grade uranium, enough to make thousands of nuclear weapons. See here.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      Ummm…after reading the citation, I have a problem with the term, “Highly Enriched.” I believe, if I remember my undergraduate Physics correctly, that Reactor Fuel for propulsion and power generation (i.e., to boil water) runs about 3%, but that Fissionable Weapons Grade (to make the Big Boom) is enriched in excess of 92%.

      And, that is for Uranium. I do believe that most US nucular weapons are Plutonium-based designs. Hopefully, someone on this board can bring us up to speed.

  • oldtree

    it’s our corporation and “we own the idea that is america” (Firesign Theatre)

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      I have long thought that the GW Bush mal-Administration was a gigantic piece of Performance Art by the Firesign Theatre group.

      Sigh. Even at his worst, it was possible to ignore LBJ and his minions’ cavorting along the path to Fascism by plugging in the lava lamp, rolling up a little herb and playing some Paul Butterfield Blues Band.

      Nixon you could just hiss at and give the finger to. Even my sainted Granny called him an SOB.

      Ford was worth some empathy, as in, “How the hell did they stick poor Jerry with shitty end of THAT stick?”

      But THESE geldings…

  • http://www.food4humanity.org hoosierhoops

    Did you know that 6 of the people who were involved in loading the plane with the nukes have met mysterious ends to thier short lives???

    No I had not heard that..Can you cite any details or articles?

    Last month my dad and I were driving to the golf course when i brought this issue up since he worked at Minot when he was in the Air Force..
    I asked him how it was possible to load nukes on a plane by accident..
    It’s not possible he said..they just got caught.
    that’s my dad…..
    :)

    • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

      Hoopster,
      PrchrLady posted the 6 deaths link above, see her first comment and the first afterdowningstreet.org link. The six all died in traffic “accidents.”

      • http://www.food4humanity.org HoosierHoops

        Leslie:
        That is so wierd..what are the chances of this happening? Strange…

        • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

          Hoopster,
          Not to impugn afterdowningstreet, but I like to have news stories confirmed by TWO reputable papers at least. In the publishing biz, we’d call that a “soft check.” It’s better than rumor, but not as good as the encyclopedia, the Congressional record, or talking directly to sources for example.

          If the stories are true, then I think six traffic accident deaths among the men who handled the wayward nukes would be stretching coincidence.

          There ought to be an investigation.

  • Fred C. Dobbs

    Excellent summary, Rob.

    Unfortunately, we have just enough information about this incident to push us into Baseless, Pointless Speculation Country. We all visit there occasionally; some of us have taken up residence and build McMansions and Starter Castles therein. Personally, I have a single-wide there that I picked up on the cheap; visit it occasionally, but try not to be there in the Busy Season.

    We can be sure that any blame in this matter will be assigned to a, “flaw in the system,” and that no individual punished will be above pay grades O-4 and/or E-6.

    NOTE TO MY FORMER EMPLOYERS:

    I can see a fast buck to be made in providing services and support for the coming change to a Quality Assurance regimen at the USAF. Even a new motto:

    “The Air Force – An ISO-9000 Organization!”

    Raytheon/GD/Dyn/G&G: CALL ME!

    • FightTheFuture

      So when the bright flash blisters your face to the bone and blows your ass away, how will that double-wide look to you then? Will you build it up, or just swallow the dreamy delusions for sanity and roll it into reality world?

      Some things are better off assuming the worst. Given Bu$hitCo + Nuclear Warheads and very disturbing stories from whistleblowers about them, I will assume the worse!! I can always say sorry later, but to call it tinfoil is the real disservice here.

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        Given the nature of the clowns we now pay taxes to pull the levers of our government, and the fact that some extragovernmental players appear to have successfully employed techniques like non – judicial homicide (JFK and Wellstone come to mind) to advance their agendas without regard to the will of the people, be advised that the truth is always worse than we can imagine, in our wildest, most paranoid dreams.

        That said, Occam’s Razor applies, even as the data accumulate.

        Thousands devote time and energy pointlessly speculating about what REALLY happened to the RMS TITANIC, the HINDENBURG, TWA Flight 800, Judge Crater, the Lindberg Baby, etc.

        Almost no one expends any energy trying to find out what the LUSITANIA was really carrying, an issue which might be of some interest to hundreds of thousands.

  • Bill Keyes

    Aha…methinks Dr. Strangelove may be at work here.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

    ArmsControlWonk has reported, in addition to layers of rigorous security protocols, the nuclear warheads are also painted with special red markings and each is electronically tagged. They’re also heavier than standard warheads. Anyone who handles these warheads should be able to recognize them on sight.

    As Stormer points out, the issue isn’t that these weapons were flown across country because the warheads weren’t armed. The issue is how all the security layers were missed. I heard that the security regulations had been changed recently? If so, how?

    It’s mind-boggling that six of these warheads were loaded onto the wings of a combat aircraft, in violation of procedure and safety regulations, without anyone at two air force bases noticing for hours.

    • PrchrLady

      Me thinks that because they were noticed, we did not see them used on our own country, or our soldiers in the ME… even worse, where is the missing one, since six went out, and only five were recovered… wonder where Cheney and friends have the last one hidden??? is this why 6 soldiers were killed??? too strange to be coincidental. way too strange.

    • Fred C. Dobbs

      The “standard” warhead on the AGM-129 IS a nuclear warhead. There is no reference in the unclassified literature to any other warhead for this airframe, save for the dummy test head. It would make sense to me, as a layman, that the dummy warhead might be of different physical dimensions to maintain the weight and balance profile of the airframe.

      I.E., concrete might be either lighter or heavier per unit of volume than the stuff they make nukes from.

      The same does NOT apply to the ACM-86, which has several variants with differing warheads, some conventional.

      see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_ACM

      also: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/acm.htm

      also: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-129.html

      and: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/acm.htm

  • PrchrLady

    This is a great article. Thanks for posting it here. I just finished reading two articles on the Minot fiasco, which I will link to here. I am so sick to death of the lies and half truths coming from those in power, as well as those who seek to run this country further into the ground. I have almost lost hope of change in my lifetime.

    Did you know that 6 of the people who were involved in loading the plane with the nukes have met mysterious ends to thier short lives??? I had heard of one, but now the number is six… do we have to kill off our own soldiers to keep the truth hidden? For heavens sake, why??? Hell the commissions being set up to investigate won’t even finish the ‘investigations’ before I die…

    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27523

    on the same issue, a couple of video clips:
    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27519

    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27528

    be careful watching these short videos… I cried. For those lost, as well as for those who will continue to die until this cabal is removed. I pray it will be soon…

    • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Leslie

      Very odd about the deaths….
      There ought to be an investigation.

      • PrchrLady

        Another one??? doesn’t seem to matter what horrors they find… they just continue to go about business as usual…

    • Michael Gass

      When you look at the DATES, you’ll find 4 out of the six died PRIOR to the incident. This is bogus. Only 2 died AFTER the incident (1 at Minot, 1 at Barksdale).

      • FightTheFuture

        Oh wow!!! Well, that makes it all better! NOT!!