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		<title>By: Teaeopy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32524</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaeopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Overruler” it should be above. Misspellings don&#039;t fare as well in web searches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Overruler” it should be above. Misspellings don&#8217;t fare as well in web searches.</p>
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		<title>By: mudkitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32419</link>
		<dc:creator>mudkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gangsters and criminals are the ones who need to keep secrets.

It&#039;s not like we&#039;re talking about revealing troop positions, anyway.  The Iraqis already know our troop positions because we&#039;re drive up and down their roads like sitting ducks anyway, as occupiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gangsters and criminals are the ones who need to keep secrets.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re talking about revealing troop positions, anyway.  The Iraqis already know our troop positions because we&#8217;re drive up and down their roads like sitting ducks anyway, as occupiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Yogi-one</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32409</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogi-one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The courts have to end the secrecy. There is no such thing as open government when anything can be randomly declared a state secret. It is now being used almost exclusively to block criminal investigations into the Administrations alleged illegal activities.

That&#039;s plain wrong and Americans are going to have to find their balls and start asserting their rights.

We can start by extraditing Cheney and Rumsfeld to Germany to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. That should be the very first most basic thing.

The Bush&#039;s interoffice communications from his term as Governor of Texas need to be opened up, then the interoffice communications and emails of the White House during the Bush Presidency. The contents of the infamous secret energy conference have to be made public.

There should be automatic prison time if documents are found to have been destroyed to prevent criminal investigations from obtaining information.

We&#039;ve put up with this infantile behavior on the part of these idiots for too long. Let&#039;s end it, like, yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The courts have to end the secrecy. There is no such thing as open government when anything can be randomly declared a state secret. It is now being used almost exclusively to block criminal investigations into the Administrations alleged illegal activities.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s plain wrong and Americans are going to have to find their balls and start asserting their rights.</p>
<p>We can start by extraditing Cheney and Rumsfeld to Germany to be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. That should be the very first most basic thing.</p>
<p>The Bush&#8217;s interoffice communications from his term as Governor of Texas need to be opened up, then the interoffice communications and emails of the White House during the Bush Presidency. The contents of the infamous secret energy conference have to be made public.</p>
<p>There should be automatic prison time if documents are found to have been destroyed to prevent criminal investigations from obtaining information.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve put up with this infantile behavior on the part of these idiots for too long. Let&#8217;s end it, like, yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Fingal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32366</link>
		<dc:creator>Fingal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know how some animals poison their prey before eating it?  The poison only has to immobilize the prey, it doesn&#039;t have to be lethal.  Using techniques of propaganda, media control, corruption of legal institutions, and perhaps other means, our society, our culture has been rendered immobile.  We can look at a case like this and be outraged, but the cultural nervous system no longer transmits motor impulses to the muscles.  We can scream all we want, and no sound will come out, at least not anywhere where it might lead to action.

Identify the predator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know how some animals poison their prey before eating it?  The poison only has to immobilize the prey, it doesn&#8217;t have to be lethal.  Using techniques of propaganda, media control, corruption of legal institutions, and perhaps other means, our society, our culture has been rendered immobile.  We can look at a case like this and be outraged, but the cultural nervous system no longer transmits motor impulses to the muscles.  We can scream all we want, and no sound will come out, at least not anywhere where it might lead to action.</p>
<p>Identify the predator.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32361</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saddly, now the United States is now a confirmed dictatorship. But it is the new style dictatorship where leaders are elected (fairly or unfairly - no matter) and told what to do.

The most dangerous elements of the political infrastructure, the military units, are left to run amok, beyond criticism and any form of accountability.

Injustice begins with your government as determined by your courts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saddly, now the United States is now a confirmed dictatorship. But it is the new style dictatorship where leaders are elected (fairly or unfairly &#8211; no matter) and told what to do.</p>
<p>The most dangerous elements of the political infrastructure, the military units, are left to run amok, beyond criticism and any form of accountability.</p>
<p>Injustice begins with your government as determined by your courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Teaeopy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32247</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaeopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Article II of the Constitution:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

&quot;I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;President George W. Bush has decided that he can declare himself to be protecting and defending us the citizens and let that ostensible course of action replace protecting and defending the Constitution. Congress, and sometimes the Supreme Court, have found Bush&#039;s self-appointment as the Overrruler to be acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Article II of the Constitution:</p>
<blockquote><p>Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:</p>
<p>&#8220;I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>President George W. Bush has decided that he can declare himself to be protecting and defending us the citizens and let that ostensible course of action replace protecting and defending the Constitution. Congress, and sometimes the Supreme Court, have found Bush&#8217;s self-appointment as the Overrruler to be acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrocitta</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32239</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrocitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I HEAR you Leslie.  September 04, somebody sent a cowboy from close to Houston over here to my small Italian town.  He still had his boots on and was waiting in a restaurant for my friend (also an American) and I to show up.  There was not another living soul in that place except for the owner/waiter.  Yeah, and this guy even told me that my politics were wrong!  After that, I didn&#039;t accompany another friend to her doctor appointment because I was afraid to take the train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I HEAR you Leslie.  September 04, somebody sent a cowboy from close to Houston over here to my small Italian town.  He still had his boots on and was waiting in a restaurant for my friend (also an American) and I to show up.  There was not another living soul in that place except for the owner/waiter.  Yeah, and this guy even told me that my politics were wrong!  After that, I didn&#8217;t accompany another friend to her doctor appointment because I was afraid to take the train.</p>
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		<title>By: hoosierhoops</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32235</link>
		<dc:creator>hoosierhoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Founding Fathers designed our government to be a Sunshine Government.

I think Bush was thinking more in line of electromagnetic radiation instead of sunshine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Founding Fathers designed our government to be a Sunshine Government.</p>
<p>I think Bush was thinking more in line of electromagnetic radiation instead of sunshine.</p>
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		<title>By: mudkitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32221</link>
		<dc:creator>mudkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secrets?  My ass!  The very last person in this government who should be able to keep secrets is Bush!  Or any President in general.  Our Founding Fathers designed our government to be a Sunshine Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secrets?  My ass!  The very last person in this government who should be able to keep secrets is Bush!  Or any President in general.  Our Founding Fathers designed our government to be a Sunshine Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32218</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can there be adequate compensation for illegal abduction, detention and torture? The best compensation would be to prevent it.

By the way, this post isn&#039;t just about the Bush administration&#039;s treatment of foreigners, but also how the administration treats US citizens by spying on them. The Supreme Court decision not to hear el-Masri&#039;s case will probably make it more difficult for Americans to obtain redress regarding abuses as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can there be adequate compensation for illegal abduction, detention and torture? The best compensation would be to prevent it.</p>
<p>By the way, this post isn&#8217;t just about the Bush administration&#8217;s treatment of foreigners, but also how the administration treats US citizens by spying on them. The Supreme Court decision not to hear el-Masri&#8217;s case will probably make it more difficult for Americans to obtain redress regarding abuses as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrocitta</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32217</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrocitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I remember the Arar case too but the Canadian government compensated him after the head of Canadian intelligence at the time, a first generation Italian-Canadian, was decent enough to admit misakes were made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I remember the Arar case too but the Canadian government compensated him after the head of Canadian intelligence at the time, a first generation Italian-Canadian, was decent enough to admit misakes were made.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32212</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think Canadians are safe, then you&#039;ve forgotten about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Maher Arar&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think Canadians are safe, then you&#8217;ve forgotten about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar" rel="nofollow">Maher Arar</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32207</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned Jules Lobel in a prior response. He represented a man from Canada named Mahr Arar . Read about how he was treated in a black site.

Torture in Syrian prisons is well-documented. The state department’s own report cites an array of gruesome tortures routinely used in Syrian jails

The next morning, Arar says a Syrian intelligence officer arrived carrying a black electrical cable, two inches thick and about two feet long. 

“He said, ‘Do you know what this is?’ I said, I was crying, you know, ‘Yes, I know what it is. It&#039;s a cable.’ And he said, ‘Open your right hand.’ I opened my right hand … and he beat me very strongly,” says Arar. “He said, ‘Open your left hand.’ And I opened my left hand. And he beat me on my palm, on my left palm. And then he stopped, and he asked me questions. And I said to him, ‘I have nothing to hide.’”

Arar says the physical torture took place during the first two weeks, but he says he also went through psychological and mental torture: “They would take me back to a room, they call it the waiting room. And I hear people screaming. And they, I mean, people, they&#039;re being tortured. And I felt my heart was going to go out of my chest.” 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/21/60II/main594974.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned Jules Lobel in a prior response. He represented a man from Canada named Mahr Arar . Read about how he was treated in a black site.</p>
<p>Torture in Syrian prisons is well-documented. The state department’s own report cites an array of gruesome tortures routinely used in Syrian jails</p>
<p>The next morning, Arar says a Syrian intelligence officer arrived carrying a black electrical cable, two inches thick and about two feet long. </p>
<p>“He said, ‘Do you know what this is?’ I said, I was crying, you know, ‘Yes, I know what it is. It&#8217;s a cable.’ And he said, ‘Open your right hand.’ I opened my right hand … and he beat me very strongly,” says Arar. “He said, ‘Open your left hand.’ And I opened my left hand. And he beat me on my palm, on my left palm. And then he stopped, and he asked me questions. And I said to him, ‘I have nothing to hide.’”</p>
<p>Arar says the physical torture took place during the first two weeks, but he says he also went through psychological and mental torture: “They would take me back to a room, they call it the waiting room. And I hear people screaming. And they, I mean, people, they&#8217;re being tortured. And I felt my heart was going to go out of my chest.” </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/21/60II/main594974.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/21/60II/main594974.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32206</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct.


Less Safe, Less Free
Why America Is Losing the War on Terror
David Cole and Jules Lobel

At home and abroad, the administration has cut corners on fundamental commitments of the rule of law in the name of preventing future attacks—from “waterboarding” detainees, to disappearing suspects into secret CIA prisons, to attacking Iraq against the wishes of the UN Security Council and most of the world when it posed no imminent threat of attacking us.

http://www.thenewpress.com/index.php?option=com_title&amp;task=view_title&amp;metaproductid=1640</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct.</p>
<p>Less Safe, Less Free<br />
Why America Is Losing the War on Terror<br />
David Cole and Jules Lobel</p>
<p>At home and abroad, the administration has cut corners on fundamental commitments of the rule of law in the name of preventing future attacks—from “waterboarding” detainees, to disappearing suspects into secret CIA prisons, to attacking Iraq against the wishes of the UN Security Council and most of the world when it posed no imminent threat of attacking us.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenewpress.com/index.php?option=com_title&#038;task=view_title&#038;metaproductid=1640" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewpress.com/index.php?option=com_title&#038;task=view_title&#038;metaproductid=1640</a></p>
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		<title>By: Centrocitta</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/944/bushs-state-secrets-privilege/#comment-32202</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrocitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they ruined this innocent German man&#039;s life.  My advice to him would be to marry a Canadian and live happily ever after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they ruined this innocent German man&#8217;s life.  My advice to him would be to marry a Canadian and live happily ever after.</p>
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