Comments on: NSA, FISA and the Telecoms http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/ Sun, 27 May 2012 12:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: TeakwoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-36351 TeakwoodKite Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:36:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-36351 Thanks for the interesting response, Thinker. What prize would you recommend? I am curious as to why your response to my comment was to raise the subject of religion. The Constitution is flawed, in the sense that it relects the human condition. My ultimate point is that, collectivly as a nation, we are in a state of denial and won't move forward until we relize how to respond when given "noquater". What would a Constitution written from scratch look like to you? Thanks for the interesting response, Thinker. What prize would you recommend? I am curious as to why your response to my comment was to raise the subject of religion. The Constitution is flawed, in the sense that it relects the human condition. My ultimate point is that, collectivly as a nation, we are in a state of denial and won’t move forward until we relize how to respond when given “noquater”.
What would a Constitution written from scratch look like to you?

]]> By: Thinker http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-36184 Thinker Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:59:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-36184 You are absolutely right TWK, collect a prize. But the Consititution was flawed from the outset. Firstly it presumed that there were classes of human beings, so it was unfair. Second it was designed to fulfil the pruitan religious ambitions of the Founding Fathers. Third, it empowered the protester while enabling the perpetrators, a freedom of speech is inaction. They talk of the US being a multi cultural society. Providing everyone follows its puritan laws, they can do as they will. In my book that makes everyone puritan. Of course, the sad fact of the matter is this. We all, each and everyone of us, die and we have an ultimate choice in the vocation we call our lives. That is to be selfish or selfless. Jesus pointed it out very clearly and successive religious administrations (starting with St Paul) have done everything in their power to undermine that message. Saddly, as I meantioned in the Ann Coulter thread, Puritanism is just another version of Judaism where your possessions are a measure of your Godilness and the selfless are the scourge of society who don't <em>deserve</em> respect. There is a small conflict in that statement as Jesus still has enormous power, so there a lot of bet hedging going on. In one breath the good Samaritan is celebrated, while in the next he is presented as a conspirator. The problem is and always has been, TWK, that the Constitution was flawed and needed to be written from scratch. <strong>Having said that the current direction will present Hitler's vision of a segregated World with anyone daring to dissent mercilessly disposed of.</strong> You are absolutely right TWK, collect a prize.

But the Consititution was flawed from the outset. Firstly it presumed that there were classes of human beings, so it was unfair. Second it was designed to fulfil the pruitan religious ambitions of the Founding Fathers. Third, it empowered the protester while enabling the perpetrators, a freedom of speech is inaction.

They talk of the US being a multi cultural society. Providing everyone follows its puritan laws, they can do as they will. In my book that makes everyone puritan.

Of course, the sad fact of the matter is this. We all, each and everyone of us, die and we have an ultimate choice in the vocation we call our lives. That is to be selfish or selfless. Jesus pointed it out very clearly and successive religious administrations (starting with St Paul) have done everything in their power to undermine that message.

Saddly, as I meantioned in the Ann Coulter thread, Puritanism is just another version of Judaism where your possessions are a measure of your Godilness and the selfless are the scourge of society who don’t deserve respect. There is a small conflict in that statement as Jesus still has enormous power, so there a lot of bet hedging going on. In one breath the good Samaritan is celebrated, while in the next he is presented as a conspirator.

The problem is and always has been, TWK, that the Constitution was flawed and needed to be written from scratch.

Having said that the current direction will present Hitler’s vision of a segregated World with anyone daring to dissent mercilessly disposed of.

]]> By: TeakwoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-36100 TeakwoodKite Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:43:59 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-36100 The Multi-spectral Asymmetrical War that is being waged against us will be reversed ONLY when we as a nation of people understand and accept we are no longer a nation of laws. The only way any of these events of the last few years can make sense is if we look at through the lens of intentional chaos. One has to wonder why you would seek to expose and roll up an operation as important as the one in Iran regarding nuclear black markets and weapons transfers by outing a NOC. The war with Iraq was not the objective.... the shredding of the US Constitution was and is the goal. The Multi-spectral Asymmetrical War that is being waged against us will be reversed ONLY when we as a nation of people understand and accept we are no longer a nation of laws. The only way any of these events of the last few years can make sense is if we look at through the lens of intentional chaos. One has to wonder why you would seek to expose and roll up an operation as important as the one in Iran regarding nuclear black markets and weapons transfers by outing a NOC. The war with Iraq was not the objective…. the shredding of the US Constitution was and is the goal.

]]> By: Gypsy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-35151 Gypsy Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:22:43 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-35151 Why can any GOP Senator put secret holds on legislation and Harry Reid honors this? It is time for new leadership for the Dem's. It is obvious that Harry Reid is in the tank for the telecoms. If we want any meaningful change, then our push has got to be for Campaign Finance reform. What the American people are beginning to understand is that it would be far cheaper (therefore more conservative) than what it cost us in coporate welfare. Government hasn't worked for the people for some time. We have to challenge every Democrat or Republican in primaries. They will only get the message when they are fired by the people they actually work for. Why can any GOP Senator put secret holds on legislation and Harry Reid honors this? It is time for new leadership for the Dem’s. It is obvious that Harry Reid is in the tank for the telecoms. If we want any meaningful change, then our push has got to be for Campaign Finance reform. What the American people are beginning to understand is that it would be far cheaper (therefore more conservative) than what it cost us in coporate welfare. Government hasn’t worked for the people for some time. We have to challenge every Democrat or Republican in primaries. They will only get the message when they are fired by the people they actually work for.

]]> By: Thinker http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34512 Thinker Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:45:19 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34512 Dodds has used some of the strongest words I have heard in a long time. There was no attempt at diplomacy. He sounded like a one really pissed off politician. Let's see where this goes. In practicality it won't make any difference. There is more than enough protection in place (ref: Watergate). Regards whistleblowers, well I think the playing field becomes more even. There is now <strong>zero doubt</strong> that any collusion with the NSAs will be in full view of the target. Perhaps there's a case for a private sector NSA? In the spirit of "keeping the bastard's honest" Leslie, if you read my posts of a few years back, I did suggest that the Dem's might have been put in to <em>demonstrate their incompetance</em>. All in all they are doing a pretty good job, partly because they were in on it right from the start as Bush did not get where he got <em>by accident</em>. With all Michael Moore's support of Gore, the toe rag is pushing a pup yet again. Directing a campaign of evolution change entirely at the wrong people continuing his <em>mad hatter's</em> role as professionally resolutely as ever. I still absolutely believe that Hilary Clinton will be your next President. But a lot can happen between now and then. Oh, and I have changed my mind, I am beginning to like Carter the more I hear him talk. Age has promoted wisdom in his instance. Shame he couldn't find the words throughout his presidency. Dodds has used some of the strongest words I have heard in a long time. There was no attempt at diplomacy. He sounded like a one really pissed off politician. Let’s see where this goes.

In practicality it won’t make any difference. There is more than enough protection in place (ref: Watergate). Regards whistleblowers, well I think the playing field becomes more even. There is now zero doubt that any collusion with the NSAs will be in full view of the target.

Perhaps there’s a case for a private sector NSA? In the spirit of “keeping the bastard’s honest”

Leslie, if you read my posts of a few years back, I did suggest that the Dem’s might have been put in to demonstrate their incompetance. All in all they are doing a pretty good job, partly because they were in on it right from the start as Bush did not get where he got by accident.

With all Michael Moore’s support of Gore, the toe rag is pushing a pup yet again. Directing a campaign of evolution change entirely at the wrong people continuing his mad hatter’s role as professionally resolutely as ever.

I still absolutely believe that Hilary Clinton will be your next President. But a lot can happen between now and then. Oh, and I have changed my mind, I am beginning to like Carter the more I hear him talk. Age has promoted wisdom in his instance. Shame he couldn’t find the words throughout his presidency.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34363 Leslie Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:52:09 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34363 ARGH, Reid is pushing it through!? Who does he work for? Us or the GOP and Telecoms? ARGH, Reid is pushing it through!? Who does he work for? Us or the GOP and Telecoms?

]]> By: PrchrLady http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34357 PrchrLady Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:47:46 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34357 Just read on Firedoglake that Reid has decided to push the bill thru anyway, going around Dodd's hold. I don't know how to buck up anymore... seems like I've been fighting these idiots for WAY too long, and am just about down for the count... I am tying another knot, for all the good it will do... Just read on Firedoglake that Reid has decided to push the bill thru anyway, going around Dodd’s hold. I don’t know how to buck up anymore… seems like I’ve been fighting these idiots for WAY too long, and am just about down for the count… I am tying another knot, for all the good it will do…

]]> By: Leslie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34351 Leslie Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:41:32 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34351 Buck up PrchrLady, At least Dodd and others are trying. Buck up PrchrLady,
At least Dodd and others are trying.

]]> By: PrchrLady http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34312 PrchrLady Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:27:31 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34312 I think this is even a ploy by Dodd. nore of the same. Just like Kucinich on the war, it doesn't ever go anywhere. I doubt Dodd can take it on all by himself, and if he wants to be Prez, I think he should show leadership and get Pelosi and Reid on board. Otherwise, just more of the same. Actions, real actions, not just some mouthed words to capture the moment, may change my mind. The dems are just as bad as the others... I think this is even a ploy by Dodd. nore of the same. Just like Kucinich on the war, it doesn’t ever go anywhere. I doubt Dodd can take it on all by himself, and if he wants to be Prez, I think he should show leadership and get Pelosi and Reid on board. Otherwise, just more of the same. Actions, real actions, not just some mouthed words to capture the moment, may change my mind. The dems are just as bad as the others…

]]> By: Delia http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34297 Delia Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:03:23 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34297 I've been an Edwards supporter up to now, but am seriously considering switching to Dodd because of his move here. Since I've very little money I can't give much to anyone's campaign. I’ve been an Edwards supporter up to now, but am seriously considering switching to Dodd because of his move here. Since I’ve very little money I can’t give much to anyone’s campaign.

]]> By: Kyle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34281 Kyle Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:23:37 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34281 Dodd is the only one with any guts on this, at least out of the presidential candidates. He put a hold on the bill already, and not a secret one like Ted Stevens would do. Dodd is the only one with any guts on this, at least out of the presidential candidates. He put a hold on the bill already, and not a secret one like Ted Stevens would do.

]]> By: PrchrLady http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/969/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34247 PrchrLady Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:52:25 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/18/nsa-fisa-and-the-telecoms/#comment-34247 I am sorry to say that I think it comes down to a simple 'tell the people what they want to hear' argument. I am so disgusted with the immunity deal that is being set up to force on the people, as well as the blocking of the SCHIP funding, that I think I have about given up on all the people whom have either been elected or appointed. I became a dem some years ago, but no longer hold out hope for any of the liars and platitude makers that we see as representing us... I think I have pretty much decided to vote against and yes work against any dem who has voted with these thugs once again. They are all liars these days, throw them all out. Looks like just more of the same bullsheet coming out of these buzzards who call themselves our representatives. I am sorry to say that I think it comes down to a simple ‘tell the people what they want to hear’ argument. I am so disgusted with the immunity deal that is being set up to force on the people, as well as the blocking of the SCHIP funding, that I think I have about given up on all the people whom have either been elected or appointed. I became a dem some years ago, but no longer hold out hope for any of the liars and platitude makers that we see as representing us… I think I have pretty much decided to vote against and yes work against any dem who has voted with these thugs once again. They are all liars these days, throw them all out. Looks like just more of the same bullsheet coming out of these buzzards who call themselves our representatives.

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