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In Search of Common Ground

YouTube and Google have been the most beautiful inventions of the last few years. It is hard to count how many times I have found artists of classical music from my childhood on YouTube — their records you can’t find in any store here or in India but passionate enthusiasts have put them on YouTube for all to enjoy. Two days ago, what started as a simple search turned out to be more meaningful than I could ever imagine. In the early 80s — I forget exactly what year it was — I was listening to an afternoon radio broadcast of Hindustani classical music. What came out of that little box on that day was pure magic. It woke my dad from his afternoon nap to sit up straight and exclaim in amazement “who was that?!” They were two artists by name Amanat Ali Khan and Fateh Ali Khan, a vocal duo singing the raga Bhoopali. With some quick thinking I did record it on a cassette on that day and still play it — a link to memories of an afternoon with my dear dad and after more than 25 years.

Back to my YouTube and Google search to find those two artists: my search took me to this page (play the music if you like; I ‘m sure you’ll like it). Out of curiosity, I dug around that page more and the owner of the folder turned out to be a Pakistani physician. His page is a treasure trove of Hindustani classical music and I am ecstatic to have found it. What also caught my eye in his profile were two simple lines he proclaimed as his philosophy. It said “MUSIC KEEPS THE MULLAH AND OTHER EVIL ELEMENTS AWAY FROM YOU ~ A RAGA A DAY KEEPS THE MULLAH AWAY.”

It appears that this rational person can look at what is wrong with his religion and say it openly. I will go out on a limb to say that millions of such people in middle Pakistan, middle India, and everywhere exist.

In fact, some of the sanest comments come from people who are in the middle of such conflicts but don’t have a voice.


Watch this video from Al Jazeera.

What was interesting to me in that video was the young couple who spoke against extremism on both sides, extremist Islamic militants and erratic but government initiated extreme response in the name of war on terrorism (think Iraq would fit into that category?). What was frightening to me was the young son of the slain leader of that madrasa saying that Sharia law has to be implemented in Pakistan. He even quoted the basic reason for Pakistan’s existence since independence in 1947 — a Muslim state that the founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah created resulting in the partition of India. I see an identity crisis in Pakistan as we saw exemplified in that video, between the modern young couple with a cosmopolitan outlook and the religious fanaticism of the militants and a government or Army interested in its own welfare.

Middle Pakistan is hurting from inside even as its army and the feckless government hurt its neighbors, Afghanistan on the one side and India on the other. Take for instance the Mumbai attack — since the attack about a month ago, nothing much has been done to identify the real culprits even though everyone knows who they are; Pakistan flip flops in the mounting evidence of the responsibility of its terrorist groups for the attack — it wants more evidence. US back pedals from holding Pakistan fully accountable and gives its wishy-washy assurances to both countries. As M.J.Akbar in his Op-Ed summarized aptly, Taliban on the one side and Pentagon on the other, Pakistani Army marches on, terrorizing the world including its own:

It is always useful to apply the Agatha Christie principle in any mystery: who gains from murder? Who gained from terrorism in Mumbai? There is only one winner: the Pakistan Army. The disgrace into which it had been dragged by Pervez Musharraf has been erased; it is wrapped once again in the blanket of confrontation with India. Zardari’s amateur attempts at a peace deal with India are dead, a prelude perhaps to his own decline. He will no longer attempt to encroach into ISI space. Pakistan’s generals are proving to be excellent tacticians. They have maneuvered impressively through the terror-crisis to emerge with the local Taliban on one arm, and the Pentagon on the other.

What will the US do?

Meanwhile, my new found Pakistani friend and I realize that there is more that we have in common than we think and it is not just limited to good music. We want peace and stability, economic growth and educational opportunities. We want less of religion and more of the secular and the rational. We recognize that there has to be a private and public aspect to religion — the private and the individual affair with one’s religion cannot intrude on the public space where many are affected. We realize that religion as a private individual affair will prevent political leaders or terrorist elements from playing on one’s emotions for their nefarious needs using religion. Unfortunately, we also know that much of this is easier said than done, especially in developing countries where poverty and illiteracy take over one’s better judgment. The lone terrorist captured in the Mumbai attack comes from a poor family in eastern Pakistan without much prospect for a normal life. The terror group Lashkar-e-Toiba and the lure of a couple of thousands of dollars for his recruitment were enough for the misguided young man to join the group which carried out the attack on Mumbai [more here]. It is no secret that some of the tens of billions in US aid would have found its way to Lashkar via Pakistani Army and ISI.

But how did the extremists come to have so much power in the name of religion? I would say by mixing political grievances with religious indignation — tapping anger as a community organizing principle, where else have we heard that? There is nothing else as potent as telling someone that their religion is being attacked and their way of life is being rejected, rightly or wrongly. The case in point — take a look at this video of a British Mullah — he is apparently quite popular and has a following there. It is inconceivable to me that he has a platform and a voice under the guise of freedom of speech. That he does and it is democracy. But where is what should be an equally vocal opposition? At some point shouldn’t saner voices drown this guy’s hate-filled speech?

What if ordinary people registered their opposition when their religious leaders play politics or spread hate and discrimination? What can religious and other community leaders do to voice their opposition to the abuse of their religion by miscreants in their community?

Will this video below count as a healthy opposition to religious leaders run amuck or will it be dismissed as religion bashing?

Complex emotions and complex problems. While we search for the common ground, let us do so by reclaiming the power in being secular and rational. No religion is perfect.

  • noname

    But how did the extremists come to have so much power in the name of religion? I would say by mixing political grievances with religious indignation — tapping anger as a community organizing principle, where else have we heard that?

    I couldn’t have a better explanation of this complex issue. Thanks.

  • HC

    Many places in the world are completely crappy. Nobody has much hope of doing anything to get ahead.

    There is however one path to a good life for yourself if you arent born to lead. Use of thuggery to bully and steal from others so that you and your kin are rich and powerful while everyone else toils for you. Religion is one awesometastic way to bully for personal and clan gain.

    This zero sum game cannot be understood by people sipping lattes in Bethesda, MD. And no, don’t chant George Bush George Bush here. Its not in the least the same and if you think so, come join what is left of my family in Africa and the PA for a while to get a real flavor for despotic rule.

    The West understands win-win. Much of the rest understands only zero-sum.

    Some people will never find common ground, its that simple. No matter how much we beat our chests over here in comfort.

  • rayve

    It all comes down to religion. What a mess it has made of the world. People are indoctrinated from birth in their religious beliefs. Few people are brave enough to question, much less reject, these imposed doctrines. The funny thing is, the mullah in the video would possibly be a priest if he had been born to Catholic parents. At least I think it’s safe to say he would not be Muslim.

    With Christianity, you are ostracized socially and politically if you don’t believe. As a result, there are many closet atheists or agnostics sitting in church this morning. Muslims have an even harder row to hoe if they question their parentally imposed belief system. They face death for daring to question. Dissenters from both groups must be willing to “go to hell” in order to leave behind their parents’ religion. I’m not sure how Jews and other religions handle members who dare drop or change their belief systems. Anybody?

    All that said, Wafa Sultan is someone to admire for her extraordinary courage. Being an Arab woman , she gets extra points for her bravery. I might have hope for the future if only the world had more people like her.

  • Mort

    And money.

    Look at the wealthy people of Chicago behind Obama, look at Ayers — I would say this is true of many extremists, world wide, they are “financed,” for whatever reason, by those of enormous wealth.

    Cut the money, and I would bet most of those groups wither.

  • benny

    hmmm………….

  • NoTrollZone

    Religious zealots and patriotism zealots. Two peas in the same pod. Both grabbing their identity from an organized structure. Both refusing to look at the world through any other terms but the narrow one described by their primary affiliation.
    I’m on dial up (%$#@) so I can’t access the videos without waiting for months– I really wish I could have seen Wafa Sultan. But I’ve seen other women like her speak. I am in awe, downright awe, of women who have the courage to speak out when they risk death, etc. to do so.
    And it makes me grind my teeth that there are women Palestinians who are out there getting bombed– and some of them are probably courageous, gifted humanitarians and people are posting all over the internet and blathering away all over American about how worthless the Palestinians are.
    It is heart breaking and maddening. And it is really twilight zone material that I have to add, and Israeli women as well, because some idiots will say I only care about Palestinians.
    I am sick of patriotism zealots as much as I am sick of religous ones.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhXA3fXpCFk Woman Voter

    Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan openly criticises the misguidedness of current Muslim extremists on Al-Jazeera (Qtar) Feburary 21, 2006.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN2fqe4oWsI&eurl
    ………….

    Notice that the ‘religious’ leader quickly labels her a heretic of Islam and other not so nice labels for mainly speaking.

    I say nominate the woman for a Noble Peace Price. If more people would have the respect for others as she does the world would be much more peaceful. Her rock analogy is spot on and the first time I have heard a woman say that on a broadcast, having heard it in my early life.

  • benny

    “With Christianity, you are ostracized socially and politically if you don’t believe. As a result, there are many closet atheists or agnostics sitting in church this morning.”

    There are 2 sides to any story. There are many closet believing christians among a group of agnostics or atheists. If they speak about their faith, they’re afraid of being ostracized and their old friendships broken.

    Blaming religion is discriminatory. Its as bad as blaming gays, blacks, women………..

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhXA3fXpCFk Woman Voter

    As to the British Cleric, I would rather DIE than live under Sharia Law! We must Divest from MISOGYNY even when presented as RELIGION!

  • rayve

    You can change your religious beliefs. You can try to change the religion as has happened with Christianity over the centuries. You can’t change sexual orientation, race, or sex.

    I dare say more non believers are discriminated against than believers in any community. Try running for office as a nonbeliever.

  • oowawa

    The West understands win-win. Much of the rest understands only zero-sum.

    Much of the world is so miserable that a loss-loss scenario has restructured their brains; the only possible “win” is in checking-out permanently and seeking reward in an imagined paradise upstairs.

    I enjoy your comments, HC. “Awesometastic!”

  • rayve

    Woman Voter, I’m with you. I will not live under Sharia Law. We must not be silent about this issue in this country. I believe in freedom of religion as long as someone else’s religion is not force on me.

  • http://sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Thank you, pm317, for this article. There are many subtle points excellently articulated.

    For the British Mullah, forget about opposition–why can’t he be arrested for hate speech? He is an obvious threat to the community. Rule of law is the only thing we have to protect us. It must be used against these people.

    Wafa Sultan also brought up a good point in the last video clip: to look at this as a modernization issue. (Think of Christianity 700 to 100 years ago. Much has evolved in it side by side with our culture, especially regarding womens’ issues.) We have to think of how to promote Islam’s modernization (within their cultural framework, not the West’s) which is at least a road going somewhere, since opposition is a dead end (figuratively and literally).

    Also, it is apparent the 80′s was the best decade for music everywhere!

  • benny

    discrimination on any basis isn’t acceptable………do you really want to discriminate against those who don’t accept your belief system?

    another point which you might not accept is that your interpretation is argueable……

    “Try running for office as a nonbeliever.”

    Palin ran as a believer, and a strong believer. The end result was that the MSM denigrated her and her religious beliefs. So your point is not factual.

  • JozefAL

    Benny, just how many of this country’s political leaders (from state legislatures to state governors to US House representatives to Senators all the way to President) are OPENLY and PUBLICLY either agnostic or atheist? Go on. Just take your time and do a check. You will not find a single name among the thousands of such leaders.
    It doesn’t matter whether the person attends a weekly church service, mass, temple service or what have you, the fact is that you will be very hard-pressed to find a single one because, while religious tests for political office are constitutionally prohibited, the majority of the American voters (whether they live in the “Bible Belt” or a “deep blue” state) will choose a “believer” over a “non-believer”.
    Rayve’s point IS factual. (The MSM’s “denigration” of Palin doesn’t hold up. The MSM also denigrated Hillary without touching on HER religious values. The MSM also denigrated Mitt Romney, despite the fact that his religious values were NOT a highlight of his campaign–he touted his economic strength. No, the MSM denigrated Palin largely due to the strength of Tina Fey’s SNL impersonation.)

  • stodgie

    if a family in their home wants sharia law that doesns’t involve breaking american law, i say fine go for it, but stay the hell out of my house with that law. i despise it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhXA3fXpCFk Woman Voter

    That thinking allowed Apartheid in South Africa to continue for years, in the modern era. I say Divest from Misogyny NOW…I don’t want one penny of my money supporting misogyny.

  • benny

    and do you agree that discrimination on the basis of religion is unacceptable? Thats my main focus.

    Hey, I can’t help it if political leaders attend church/synagogues/mosques/temples. If they are true agnostics or atheists, let them say so. What gives you the idea that “the majority of the American voters (whether they live in the “Bible Belt” or a “deep blue” state) will choose a “believer” over a “non-believer”.” That assumption doesn’t have an iota of proof to back it up.

    About Palin – do you accept that the MSM denigrated and ridiculed her religous beliefs??? If yes, my point still stands. It is precisely because she is a strong christian believer.

    Hillary was ridiculed and denigrated for different reasons.

  • rayve

    Sorry, Benny, but you have failed to show me how I have discriminated against any group. Perhaps you meant to say I was prejudiced. When it comes to religious beliefs that restrict female human beings to a life of peeping out of a slit as in the top photo, then I’m guilty of whatever you want to call it.

    You are welcome to your beliefs. I don’t expect to change yours or anyone else’s–that was one of the points I was making. The other is that religion has played and is playing a major role in the wars now and throughout history. It has also led to the suppression of women since the beginning. As a woman, I will speak against that. I hope you will too.

    Oh yes, I do accept that my interpretation on any issue can be argued. I think that most people understand that as a given. I don’t intend to argue with you. We will have to agree to disagree.

    And by the way, I voted for Sarah Palin. She indicated that she would not impose her beliefs on everybody.

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