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		<title>By: There must have been a peaceful time. : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1202449</link>
		<dc:creator>There must have been a peaceful time. : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a post about how I went searching for two Pakistani classical music artists on YouTube a while back here. I grew up with music all around me, classical Hindustani (aka north-Indian) and Carnatic (aka [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rayve</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105911</link>
		<dc:creator>rayve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Benny, but you have failed to show me how I have discriminated against any group.  Perhaps you meant to say I was prejudiced.  When it comes to religious beliefs that restrict female human beings to a life of peeping out of a slit as in the top photo, then I&#039;m guilty of whatever you want to call it.   

 You are welcome to your beliefs.   I don&#039;t expect to change yours  or anyone else&#039;s--that was one of the points I was making.   The other is that religion has played and is playing a major role in the wars now and throughout history.  It has also led to the suppression of women since the beginning.  As a woman, I will speak against that.  I hope you will too.

Oh yes, I do accept that my interpretation on any issue can be argued.  I think that most people understand that as a given.  I don&#039;t intend to argue with you.  We will have to agree to disagree.  

 And by the way, I voted for Sarah Palin.  She indicated that she would not impose her beliefs on everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Benny, but you have failed to show me how I have discriminated against any group.  Perhaps you meant to say I was prejudiced.  When it comes to religious beliefs that restrict female human beings to a life of peeping out of a slit as in the top photo, then I&#8217;m guilty of whatever you want to call it.   </p>
<p> You are welcome to your beliefs.   I don&#8217;t expect to change yours  or anyone else&#8217;s&#8211;that was one of the points I was making.   The other is that religion has played and is playing a major role in the wars now and throughout history.  It has also led to the suppression of women since the beginning.  As a woman, I will speak against that.  I hope you will too.</p>
<p>Oh yes, I do accept that my interpretation on any issue can be argued.  I think that most people understand that as a given.  I don&#8217;t intend to argue with you.  We will have to agree to disagree.  </p>
<p> And by the way, I voted for Sarah Palin.  She indicated that she would not impose her beliefs on everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: benny</title>
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		<dc:creator>benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and do you agree that discrimination on the basis of religion is unacceptable? Thats my main focus.

Hey, I can&#039;t help it if political leaders attend church/synagogues/mosques/temples. If they are true agnostics or atheists, let them say so. What gives you the idea that &quot;the majority of the American voters (whether they live in the “Bible Belt” or a “deep blue” state) will choose a “believer” over a “non-believer”.&quot; That assumption doesn&#039;t have an iota of proof to back it up.

About Palin - do you accept that the MSM denigrated and ridiculed her religous beliefs??? If yes, my point still stands. It is precisely because she is a strong christian believer.

Hillary was ridiculed and denigrated for different reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and do you agree that discrimination on the basis of religion is unacceptable? Thats my main focus.</p>
<p>Hey, I can&#8217;t help it if political leaders attend church/synagogues/mosques/temples. If they are true agnostics or atheists, let them say so. What gives you the idea that &#8220;the majority of the American voters (whether they live in the “Bible Belt” or a “deep blue” state) will choose a “believer” over a “non-believer”.&#8221; That assumption doesn&#8217;t have an iota of proof to back it up.</p>
<p>About Palin &#8211; do you accept that the MSM denigrated and ridiculed her religous beliefs??? If yes, my point still stands. It is precisely because she is a strong christian believer.</p>
<p>Hillary was ridiculed and denigrated for different reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Woman Voter</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105877</link>
		<dc:creator>Woman Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That thinking allowed Apartheid in South Africa to continue for years, in the modern era.  I say Divest from Misogyny NOW...I don&#039;t want one penny of my money supporting misogyny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That thinking allowed Apartheid in South Africa to continue for years, in the modern era.  I say Divest from Misogyny NOW&#8230;I don&#8217;t want one penny of my money supporting misogyny.</p>
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		<title>By: stodgie</title>
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		<dc:creator>stodgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if a family in their home wants sharia law that doesns&#039;t involve breaking american law, i say fine go for it, but stay the hell out of my house with that law. i despise it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if a family in their home wants sharia law that doesns&#8217;t involve breaking american law, i say fine go for it, but stay the hell out of my house with that law. i despise it.</p>
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		<title>By: JozefAL</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105868</link>
		<dc:creator>JozefAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benny, just how many of this country&#039;s political leaders (from state legislatures to state governors to US House representatives to Senators all the way to President) are OPENLY and PUBLICLY either agnostic or atheist?  Go on.  Just take your time and do a check.  You will not find a single name among the thousands of such leaders.
It doesn&#039;t matter whether the person attends a weekly church service, mass, temple service or what have you, the fact is that you will be very hard-pressed to find a single one because, while religious tests for political office are constitutionally prohibited, the majority of the American voters (whether they live in the &quot;Bible Belt&quot; or a &quot;deep blue&quot; state) will choose a &quot;believer&quot; over a &quot;non-believer&quot;.
Rayve&#039;s point IS factual.  (The MSM&#039;s &quot;denigration&quot; of Palin doesn&#039;t hold up.  The MSM also denigrated Hillary without touching on HER religious values.  The MSM also denigrated Mitt Romney, despite the fact that his religious values were NOT a highlight of his campaign--he touted his economic strength.  No, the MSM denigrated Palin largely due to the strength of Tina Fey&#039;s SNL impersonation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benny, just how many of this country&#8217;s political leaders (from state legislatures to state governors to US House representatives to Senators all the way to President) are OPENLY and PUBLICLY either agnostic or atheist?  Go on.  Just take your time and do a check.  You will not find a single name among the thousands of such leaders.<br />
It doesn&#8217;t matter whether the person attends a weekly church service, mass, temple service or what have you, the fact is that you will be very hard-pressed to find a single one because, while religious tests for political office are constitutionally prohibited, the majority of the American voters (whether they live in the &#8220;Bible Belt&#8221; or a &#8220;deep blue&#8221; state) will choose a &#8220;believer&#8221; over a &#8220;non-believer&#8221;.<br />
Rayve&#8217;s point IS factual.  (The MSM&#8217;s &#8220;denigration&#8221; of Palin doesn&#8217;t hold up.  The MSM also denigrated Hillary without touching on HER religious values.  The MSM also denigrated Mitt Romney, despite the fact that his religious values were NOT a highlight of his campaign&#8211;he touted his economic strength.  No, the MSM denigrated Palin largely due to the strength of Tina Fey&#8217;s SNL impersonation.)</p>
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		<title>By: benny</title>
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		<dc:creator>benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>discrimination on any basis isn&#039;t acceptable.........do you really want to discriminate against those who don&#039;t accept your belief system?
 
another point which you might not accept is that your interpretation is argueable......

&quot;Try running for office as a nonbeliever.&quot;

Palin ran as a believer, and a strong believer. The end result was that the MSM denigrated her and her religious beliefs. So your point is not factual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>discrimination on any basis isn&#8217;t acceptable&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;do you really want to discriminate against those who don&#8217;t accept your belief system?</p>
<p>another point which you might not accept is that your interpretation is argueable&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Try running for office as a nonbeliever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Palin ran as a believer, and a strong believer. The end result was that the MSM denigrated her and her religious beliefs. So your point is not factual.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic Ninja Kitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105846</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonic Ninja Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, pm317, for this article.  There are many subtle points excellently articulated.

For the British Mullah, forget about opposition--why can&#039;t he be arrested for hate speech?  He is an obvious threat to the community.  Rule of law is the only thing we have to protect us.  It must be used against these people.

Wafa Sultan also brought up a good point in the last video clip: to look at this as a modernization issue.  (Think of Christianity 700 to 100 years ago.  Much has evolved in it side by side with our culture, especially regarding womens&#039; issues.)  We have to think of how to promote Islam&#039;s modernization (within their cultural framework, not the West&#039;s) which is at least a road going somewhere, since opposition is a dead end (figuratively and literally). 

Also, it is apparent the 80&#039;s was the best decade for music everywhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, pm317, for this article.  There are many subtle points excellently articulated.</p>
<p>For the British Mullah, forget about opposition&#8211;why can&#8217;t he be arrested for hate speech?  He is an obvious threat to the community.  Rule of law is the only thing we have to protect us.  It must be used against these people.</p>
<p>Wafa Sultan also brought up a good point in the last video clip: to look at this as a modernization issue.  (Think of Christianity 700 to 100 years ago.  Much has evolved in it side by side with our culture, especially regarding womens&#8217; issues.)  We have to think of how to promote Islam&#8217;s modernization (within their cultural framework, not the West&#8217;s) which is at least a road going somewhere, since opposition is a dead end (figuratively and literally). </p>
<p>Also, it is apparent the 80&#8242;s was the best decade for music everywhere!</p>
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		<title>By: rayve</title>
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		<dc:creator>rayve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woman Voter, I&#039;m with you.  I will not live under Sharia Law.  We must not be silent about this issue in this country.  I believe in freedom of religion as long as someone else&#039;s religion is not force on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woman Voter, I&#8217;m with you.  I will not live under Sharia Law.  We must not be silent about this issue in this country.  I believe in freedom of religion as long as someone else&#8217;s religion is not force on me.</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105832</link>
		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The West understands win-win. Much of the rest understands only zero-sum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Much of the world is so miserable that a loss-loss scenario has restructured their brains; the only possible &quot;win&quot; is in checking-out permanently and seeking reward in an imagined paradise upstairs.

I enjoy your comments, HC.  &quot;Awesometastic!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The West understands win-win. Much of the rest understands only zero-sum.</p></blockquote>
<p>Much of the world is so miserable that a loss-loss scenario has restructured their brains; the only possible &#8220;win&#8221; is in checking-out permanently and seeking reward in an imagined paradise upstairs.</p>
<p>I enjoy your comments, HC.  &#8220;Awesometastic!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rayve</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105831</link>
		<dc:creator>rayve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can change your religious beliefs.   You can try to change the religion as has happened with Christianity over the centuries.  You can&#039;t change sexual orientation, race, or sex.

I dare say more non believers are discriminated against than believers in any community.  Try running for office as a nonbeliever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can change your religious beliefs.   You can try to change the religion as has happened with Christianity over the centuries.  You can&#8217;t change sexual orientation, race, or sex.</p>
<p>I dare say more non believers are discriminated against than believers in any community.  Try running for office as a nonbeliever.</p>
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		<title>By: Woman Voter</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105822</link>
		<dc:creator>Woman Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to the British Cleric, I would rather DIE than live under Sharia Law! We must Divest from MISOGYNY even when presented as RELIGION!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the British Cleric, I would rather DIE than live under Sharia Law! We must Divest from MISOGYNY even when presented as RELIGION!</p>
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		<title>By: benny</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/9943/in-search-of-common-ground/#comment-1105820</link>
		<dc:creator>benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With Christianity, you are ostracized socially and politically if you don’t believe. As a result, there are many closet atheists or agnostics sitting in church this morning.&quot;

There are 2 sides to any story. There are many closet believing christians among a group of agnostics or atheists. If they speak about their faith, they&#039;re afraid of being ostracized and their old friendships broken.

Blaming religion is discriminatory. Its as bad as blaming gays, blacks, women...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With Christianity, you are ostracized socially and politically if you don’t believe. As a result, there are many closet atheists or agnostics sitting in church this morning.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are 2 sides to any story. There are many closet believing christians among a group of agnostics or atheists. If they speak about their faith, they&#8217;re afraid of being ostracized and their old friendships broken.</p>
<p>Blaming religion is discriminatory. Its as bad as blaming gays, blacks, women&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Woman Voter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woman Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan openly criticises the misguidedness of current Muslim extremists on Al-Jazeera (Qtar) Feburary 21, 2006.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN2fqe4oWsI&amp;eurl
.............

Notice that the &#039;religious&#039; leader quickly labels her a heretic of Islam and other not so nice labels for mainly speaking.  

I say nominate the woman for a Noble Peace Price. If more people would have the respect for others as she does the world would be much more peaceful. Her rock analogy is spot on and the first time I have heard a woman say that on a broadcast, having heard it in my early life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan openly criticises the misguidedness of current Muslim extremists on Al-Jazeera (Qtar) Feburary 21, 2006.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN2fqe4oWsI&#038;eurl" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN2fqe4oWsI&#038;eurl</a><br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Notice that the &#8216;religious&#8217; leader quickly labels her a heretic of Islam and other not so nice labels for mainly speaking.  </p>
<p>I say nominate the woman for a Noble Peace Price. If more people would have the respect for others as she does the world would be much more peaceful. Her rock analogy is spot on and the first time I have heard a woman say that on a broadcast, having heard it in my early life.</p>
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		<title>By: NoTrollZone</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoTrollZone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious zealots and patriotism zealots. Two peas in the same pod.  Both grabbing their identity from an organized structure. Both refusing to look at the world through any other terms but the narrow one described by their primary affiliation.
I&#039;m on dial up (%$#@) so I can&#039;t access the videos without waiting for months-- I really wish I could have seen Wafa Sultan. But I&#039;ve seen other women like her speak.  I am in awe, downright awe, of women who have the courage to speak out when they risk death, etc. to do so.
And it makes me grind my teeth that there are women Palestinians who are out there getting bombed-- and some of them are probably courageous, gifted humanitarians and people are posting all over the internet and blathering away all over American about how worthless the Palestinians are.
It is heart breaking and maddening. And it is really twilight zone material that I have to add, and Israeli women as well, because some idiots will say I only care about Palestinians.
I am sick of patriotism zealots as much as I am sick of religous ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious zealots and patriotism zealots. Two peas in the same pod.  Both grabbing their identity from an organized structure. Both refusing to look at the world through any other terms but the narrow one described by their primary affiliation.<br />
I&#8217;m on dial up (%$#@) so I can&#8217;t access the videos without waiting for months&#8211; I really wish I could have seen Wafa Sultan. But I&#8217;ve seen other women like her speak.  I am in awe, downright awe, of women who have the courage to speak out when they risk death, etc. to do so.<br />
And it makes me grind my teeth that there are women Palestinians who are out there getting bombed&#8211; and some of them are probably courageous, gifted humanitarians and people are posting all over the internet and blathering away all over American about how worthless the Palestinians are.<br />
It is heart breaking and maddening. And it is really twilight zone material that I have to add, and Israeli women as well, because some idiots will say I only care about Palestinians.<br />
I am sick of patriotism zealots as much as I am sick of religous ones.</p>
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